Author: Peter Kappler
Date: 10:44:55 12/13/03
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On December 13, 2003 at 11:35:27, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >On December 13, 2003 at 11:11:19, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On December 13, 2003 at 05:31:25, Amir Ban wrote: >> >>>On December 12, 2003 at 21:11:15, Russell Reagan wrote: >>> >>>>On December 12, 2003 at 18:49:40, Amir Ban wrote: >>>> >>>>>There's no way to export a Chessbase book. >>>> >>>>You have Chessbase to thank for that. Let's be clear about who is to blame for >>>>you not being able to participate. It is not the fault of the volunteers who >>>>work hard to run the CCTs make good, reasonable decisions that make for a better >>>>event and promote progress. >>> >>>Well, if without Chessbase engines you'll have a better event and make progress, >>>I won't stand in your way. >>> >>>Amir >> >> >>What we have to wait for is enough interest in CCT that you can't afford to >>miss it. Also, for the record, the most demanded feature for chess engines >>by those that buy every one they can get their hands on is an automatic >>interface for the chess servers. I don't quite understand ignoring that >>demand. Or, for the first one to do it right, that level of extra sales. >> >>If the ICGA takes their responsibilities seriously, an automatic interface >>will eventually be mandated there although I personally prefer the CCT-sized >>event with 50+ participants rather than 16. > >A CCT style tournament can never turn into an official event, since you cannot >prevent any kind of cheating. I can run 5 engines on different computers, see >which analysis I like, and then force my engine to play that move by feeding the >move via a file it checks once a second. How are you going to prevent that? By >looking at the analysis I output?! I can force my engine to print a spurious PV >starting with the move I want it to play... > >The only reason why CCT tournaments are popular is that the stakes are not high. >Most programmers join CCT only to test their engine against others (speaking for >myself, I will enter a totally experimental and untested version of Falcon). But >when you give an official title to the winner, expect many (if not most) >participants to cheat in various degrees starting from "move now" to playing all >the moves as dictated by the operator. Wow, you have an amazingly low opinion of your colleagues. I guess "most" of us should be pretty insulted, huh? As for your comment about the stakes being low at CCT, and most programmers just showing up to test, I think you are very wrong. Perhaps you should actually play in one of these events before forming too many opinions. -Peter
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