Author: Omid David Tabibi
Date: 10:51:49 12/13/03
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On December 13, 2003 at 13:44:55, Peter Kappler wrote: >On December 13, 2003 at 11:35:27, Omid David Tabibi wrote: > >>On December 13, 2003 at 11:11:19, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On December 13, 2003 at 05:31:25, Amir Ban wrote: >>> >>>>On December 12, 2003 at 21:11:15, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 12, 2003 at 18:49:40, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>There's no way to export a Chessbase book. >>>>> >>>>>You have Chessbase to thank for that. Let's be clear about who is to blame for >>>>>you not being able to participate. It is not the fault of the volunteers who >>>>>work hard to run the CCTs make good, reasonable decisions that make for a better >>>>>event and promote progress. >>>> >>>>Well, if without Chessbase engines you'll have a better event and make progress, >>>>I won't stand in your way. >>>> >>>>Amir >>> >>> >>>What we have to wait for is enough interest in CCT that you can't afford to >>>miss it. Also, for the record, the most demanded feature for chess engines >>>by those that buy every one they can get their hands on is an automatic >>>interface for the chess servers. I don't quite understand ignoring that >>>demand. Or, for the first one to do it right, that level of extra sales. >>> >>>If the ICGA takes their responsibilities seriously, an automatic interface >>>will eventually be mandated there although I personally prefer the CCT-sized >>>event with 50+ participants rather than 16. >> >>A CCT style tournament can never turn into an official event, since you cannot >>prevent any kind of cheating. I can run 5 engines on different computers, see >>which analysis I like, and then force my engine to play that move by feeding the >>move via a file it checks once a second. How are you going to prevent that? By >>looking at the analysis I output?! I can force my engine to print a spurious PV >>starting with the move I want it to play... >> >>The only reason why CCT tournaments are popular is that the stakes are not high. >>Most programmers join CCT only to test their engine against others (speaking for >>myself, I will enter a totally experimental and untested version of Falcon). But >>when you give an official title to the winner, expect many (if not most) >>participants to cheat in various degrees starting from "move now" to playing all >>the moves as dictated by the operator. > > >Wow, you have an amazingly low opinion of your colleagues. I guess "most" of us >should be pretty insulted, huh? > >As for your comment about the stakes being low at CCT, and most programmers just >showing up to test, I think you are very wrong. Perhaps you should actually >play in one of these events before forming too many opinions. I will, in the upcoming CCT. I will participate mainly to test some of my new algorithms (which didn't dare to test in Graz) and enjoy chatting with other programmers. CCT is somewhat like the blitz championship held together with WCCC; you participate mainly for the fun of it. > >-Peter
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