Author: Johan de Koning
Date: 23:52:05 12/13/03
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On December 12, 2003 at 22:46:29, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On December 12, 2003 at 01:46:17, Johan de Koning wrote: > >>On December 10, 2003 at 10:23:29, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On December 10, 2003 at 02:52:24, Johan de Koning wrote: >>> >>>\>>chose this route. It might be painful. It was certainly avoidable. >>>> >>>>You know you're not doing anyone a favor by leaving the ICGA, and >>>>certainly not yourself. So I'm asking you to think twice before you >>>>put your money where your mouth is. >>>> >>>>... Johan >>> >>>My point is that in 1977, I helped form an organization for certain specific >>>reasons. That organization has completely disconnected itself from the original >>>purpose(s) it was formed for. IE it should be at the front of the pack with >>>using automatic interfaces. It isn't. It should have reasonable rules that >>>work with todays plug-in engine designs. It doesn't. It should provide TDs >>>that make consistent decisions. One year the GUI is correct, the next year >>>the engine is what counts, etc. Not consistent. And finally it should >>>promote computer chess around the world. That's pretty obviously not being >>>done. >>> >>>Now remind me exactly why I would join such an organization again? Should I >>>enjoy reviewing papers for them (hard work). Should I enjoy attending events >>>where there is a major debacle every year? Etc. >> >>While we're in should-should-should mode: yes you should. >> >>And, since the ICGA is still *the* world wide organization, you should >>enjoy (relatively at least) staying part of it. >> >>And, since walking away never makes things better, you shouldn't. >>Not to mention the fact that walking back will hurt, and not walking >>back will also hurt. > >Here I disagree. I don't seem to grasp exactly what you're disagreeing with. > The ICCA/ICGA/ECGA/etc has abdicated its responsibilities as >originally defined in 1977. A lot of things have been thought and said and written in 1977. A lot of things have changed since then. A lot of things have not changed. If you focus on the things that could be different in a parallel universe according to Dr Bob, you might think all the differences are improvements. With 25 years of hindsight on the real universe it is obvious that the untested parallel universe must be close to heaven, if not better than heaven. Unfortunately, universes are just like chess programs. There was always the next decade in which they would be unbeatable. There was always that list of brilliant ideas that would make it happen. But unlike universes, the programs *were* tested against reality, and we all know the result. Very few brilliant ideas turned out to be usable while many brilliant ideas turned out to be simply counterprodctive. And some ideas are neutral, like adding correct ICGA/FIDE draw claiming for no reason. :-) But let's get back to 1977. The Internet did hardly exist, hence there were no 1000s of opinions, and everything was fine. There may have been some cock-ups but we will never know because they weren't a big deal to the participants. So nothing has really changed, except for the 1000s of opinions. > There are now alternatives, ICC being a good >example. The events are fun. People still chat. And perhaps we will find >other ways to do face-to-face events without that 2-week time requirement that >makes them very painful at the moment. > >>>ICC is so much more enjoyable, and I actually get to play games vs GM players >>>regularly, something I've never gotten to do at an ICCA / ICGA event. :) >> >>ICC and ICGA are not mutuallay exclusive. >>By all means, enjoy ICC as much as you can. >>Personally I enjoy sleeping, and in my dreams I get to actually finger >>and [BLEEPETYBLEEP]. Which is not allowed at ICGA events. :-) > >Actually it does happen. I believe Frans was [bleepetybleeped] in Graz. :) LOL and ROTFL ... Johan
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