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Subject: Re: tough position

Author: Will Singleton

Date: 00:14:12 12/14/03

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On December 13, 2003 at 15:34:51, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>On December 12, 2003 at 13:40:07, Will Singleton wrote:
>
>>Here's a position from a recent game, this one gives Amateur fits.
>>How long to see black is busted?
>>
>>4rr2/1b3p1k/pp5p/2b1pQ2/q7/P2R2B1/1PP3PP/2KR4 b - -
>
>Yace PB, P4 2.53 GHz, 200 MB hash:
>
>   5118040   5.736   0.68  9.  1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Qf6 Rxe5 4.Qxe5 Be4 5.Qf4
>                               Bd4 6.R3d2 Bg7 7.Qd6 {120}
>  15048932  16.661   0.40 10t  1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Rd4 Rxe5 4.Qxe5 Re8 5.Rd8
>                               Bc6 6.Rxe8+ Bxe8 7.Rd8 Kf8 {120}
>  17402584  19.606   0.40 10.  1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Rd4 Rxe5 4.Qxe5 Re8 5.Rd8
>                               Bc6 6.Rxe8+ Bxe8 7.Rd8 Kf8 {120}
>  35493811  39.224   0.00 11t  1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Rd4 Be3+ 4.Kb1 Rxe5
>                               5.Qxe5H Qe8H {120}
>  40111850  45.174   0.00 11.  1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Rd4 Be3+ 4.Kb1 Rxe5 5.Qxe5
>                               Qe8 {120}
>  46130275  52.042  -0.40 12-- 1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Rd4 Be3+ 4.Kb1 Rxe5 5.Qxe5
>                               Qe8 6.Qg3+ Kh7 7.Re1 Bg5 8.Rxe8 Rxe8 {-381}
>  99922614  1:48.3  -0.50 12t  1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Rd4 Be3+ 4.Kb1 Qc6 5.Rg4+
>                               Bg5 6.Rd6 Rxe5 7.Qxe5 Qc5 8.Qxc5 bxc5 {120}
> 224054992  4:19.3  -0.50 12.  1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Rd4 Be3+ 4.Kb1 Qc6 5.Rg4+
>                               Bg5 6.Rd6 Rxe5 7.Qxe5 Qc5 8.Qxc5 bxc5 {120}
> 246122704  4:46.7  -0.90 13-- 1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Rd4 Be3+ 4.Kb1 Qc6 5.Rg4+
>                               Bg5 6.Bf6 Qc5 7.Rxg5+ hxg5 8.Qh3 Qxa3 9.bxa3 g4
>                               10.Qxg4+ Kh7 {-581}
> 391932604  7:30.2  -1.68 13t  1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Rd4 Rxe5 4.Qxe5 Re8 5.Rg4+
>                               Qxg4 6.Qxe8+ Kg7 7.Qe5+ Kh7 8.Rf1 Qxg2 9.Qf5+
>                               Kg7 10.Rxf2 Qg5+ 11.Kd1 Qxf5 {851}
> 647916818 12:20.1  -1.67 13t+ 1...Kh8 2.b4 Bxb4 3.Bxe5+ Rxe5 4.Qxe5+ f6 5.Qe3
>                               Bxa3+ 6.Rxa3 Qh4 7.Rdd3
>1134180126 22:35.4  -0.47 13t  1...Kh8 2.b4 f6 3.Qg6 Re7 4.Bh4 Rg7 5.Bxf6 Rxf6
>                               6.Qxf6 Bd4 7.Rg3 Qd7 8.Qxh6+ {HT} {40}
>1134180126 22:35.4  -0.47 13.  1...Kh8 2.b4 f6 3.Qg6 Re7 4.Bh4 Rg7 5.Bxf6 Rxf6
>                               6.Qxf6 Bd4 7.Rg3 Qd7 8.Qxh6+ {HT} {40}
>2061038656 42:41.9  -0.74 14t  1...Kh8 2.b4 f6 3.Qg6 Be4 4.Qxe4 Bd4 5.Qg6 Rc8
>                               6.Qxh6+ Kg8 7.Qd2 Rfd8 8.Kb1 Kg7 {-80}
>2185454478 45:37.2  -0.74 14.  1...Kh8 2.b4 f6 3.Qg6 Be4 4.Qxe4 Bd4 5.Qg6 Rc8
>                               6.Qxh6+ Kg8 7.Qd2 Rfd8 8.Kb1 Kg7 {-80}
>
>And a newer version, 100 MB hash:
>
>  46433870  54.102   0.33 12.  1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Rd4 Be3+ 4.Kb1 Rxe5 5.Qxe5
>                               Qe8 6.Rg4+ Bg5 7.Qf6 Qe6 8.Qd4 {120}
>  93606628  1:46.9   0.00 13t  1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Rd4 Be3+ 4.Kb1 Rxe5 5.Qxe5
>                               Qe8 6.Rg4+ Bg5 7.Rxg5+ hxg5 8.Qxg5+ Kh7 9.Qh5+
>                               Kg8 {HT} {190}
> 101629684  2:03.9   0.00 13.  1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Rd4 Be3+ 4.Kb1 Rxe5 5.Qxe5
>                               Qe8 6.Rg4+ Bg5 7.Rxg5+ hxg5 8.Qxg5+ Kh7 9.Qh5+
>                               Kg8 {HT} {190}
> 110933942  2:14.7  -0.40 14-- 1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Rd4 Be3+ 4.Kb1 Rxe5 5.Qxe5
>                               Qe8 6.Qg3+ Bg5 7.h4 Qe2 8.hxg5 hxg5 {-150}
> 333318848  6:24.0  -1.39 14t  1...Kg8 2.Bxe5 Bf2 3.Rd4 Be3+ 4.Kb1 Rxe5 5.Qxe5
>                               Qe8 6.Qg3+ Bg5 7.h4 Qe3 8.Qc7 Qe7 {HT} {120}
> 532244793 10:05.5  -1.38 14t+ 1...Kh8 2.Bxe5+ Rxe5 3.Qxe5+ f6 4.Rg3 Be4
>                               5.Qxe4 Qxe4 6.Kb1
>1028452583 20:37.2  -0.41 14t  1...Kh8 2.b4 f6 3.Qg6 Re7 4.bxc5 Rh7 5.cxb6 Be4
>                               6.Qg4 Qc6 7.R3d2 Qa4 8.Kb2 {-80}
>1028452583 20:37.2  -0.41 14.  1...Kh8 2.b4 f6 3.Qg6 Re7 4.bxc5 Rh7 5.cxb6 Be4
>                               6.Qg4 Qc6 7.R3d2 Qa4 8.Kb2 {-80}
>1280908993 26:39.7  -0.81 15-- 1...Kh8 2.b4 f6 3.Qg6 Re7 4.Bh4 Rg7 5.Bxf6 Rxf6
>                               6.Qxf6 Kg8 7.bxc5 Rxg2 8.Rg3+ Kh7 9.Rxg2 Be4
>                               {-650}
>2026542201 43:19.4  -0.86 15t  1...Kh8 2.b4 f6 3.Qg6 Be4 4.Qxe4 Rc8 5.Bxe5
>                               Bxb4 6.Bxf6+ Rxf6 7.Rd8+ Rxd8 8.Rxd8+ Kg7
>                               9.Qg4+ Kf7 10.Qxb4 Rf1+ 11.Rd1 Rf4 {-80}
>2121659461 45:36.6  -0.86 15.  1...Kh8 2.b4 f6 3.Qg6 Be4 4.Qxe4 Rc8 5.Bxe5
>                               Bxb4 6.Bxf6+ Rxf6 7.Rd8+ Rxd8 8.Rxd8+ Kg7
>                               9.Qg4+ Kf7 10.Qxb4 Rf1+ 11.Rd1 Rf4 {-80}
>4049073429 1:30:29  -0.90 16t  1...Kh8 2.b4 f6 3.Qg6 Be4 4.Qxe4 Rc8 5.Bxe5
>                               Bxb4 6.Bxf6+ Rxf6 7.Rd8+ Rxd8 8.Rxd8+ Kg7
>                               9.Qg4+ Kf7 10.Qc4+ Ke7 11.Qc7+ Ke6 12.Qxb6+ Ke7
>                               13.Qc7+ {HT} {190}
>4259871590 1:35:32  -0.90 16.  1...Kh8 2.b4 f6 3.Qg6 Be4 4.Qxe4 Rc8 5.Bxe5
>                               Bxb4 6.Bxf6+ Rxf6 7.Rd8+ Rxd8 8.Rxd8+ Kg7
>                               9.Qg4+ Kf7 10.Qc4+ Ke7 11.Qc7+ Ke6 12.Qxb6+ Ke7
>                               13.Qc7+ {HT} {190}
>
>Not sure, which is better here. The newer version uses less extensions.
>
>Regards,
>Dieter

That's interesting.  Which extensions did you reduce?

Will




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