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Subject: Re: Technical question regarding interface for CCT

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 05:52:57 12/14/03

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On December 14, 2003 at 07:17:13, Omid David Tabibi wrote:

>On December 14, 2003 at 00:02:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:15:00, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>
>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:02:23, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:29:42, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:12:17, Russell Reagan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 05:31:25, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, if without Chessbase engines you'll have a better event and make progress,
>>>>>>>I won't stand in your way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your statement sounds like the people who tried to hold on to DOS too long when
>>>>>>Windows (and other multitasking operating systems) were clearly the future.
>>>>>>"Well, if without real mode you'll have better programs and make progress, I
>>>>>>won't stand in your way." You don't hear too many of those people these days. Is
>>>>>>Ed Schröder the only one left? :) Clearly, multiuser and multitasking operating
>>>>>>systems are progress over DOS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>45 participants is a heck of a lot more than 14. If there are 40 participants
>>>>>>instead, that's still a heck of a lot more than 14, with plenty of strong
>>>>>>competition. If we had this kind of participation along with the Chessbase
>>>>>>engines, that would be great, but I'll take 40+ participants with no Chessbase
>>>>>>participants over 14 including Chessbase participants.
>>>>>
>>>>>What was the average rating in Graz? What is the average rating in CCT?
>>>>
>>>>By this logic the tournament would have been even better with only Shredder,
>>>>Junior and Fritz.
>>>>The others just dragged down the rating, obviously.
>>>
>>>OK, let me put it this way: how many top programs participated in Graz? How many
>>>will participate in CCT?
>>>
>>>Having a chess championship without Junior/Fritz/Shredder is like having a
>>>football worldcup without Brazil, Italy, Germany, England... (and if like CCT
>>>you don't have any "drug tests", then Argentina will easily win, thanks to
>>>Maradona :)
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If quantity is the only important factor for you, then you can take 100 free
>>>>>winboard engines, run a tournament on your computer, and crown the winner with
>>>>>the world champion title.
>>>>
>>>>Quantity is important, quantity means support, interest and recognition.
>>>>
>>>>Where was Tiger, where was Rebel, Ruffian, SmarThink, Crafty, Yace... in your
>>>>little shootout?
>>>
>>>Had they thought they had any chance to win the championship, they would have
>>>shown up.
>>
>>That statement is so far beyond stupid...  it really doesn't deserve a
>>response.  Drop over to ICC tonight or tomorrow night, try the quad opteron
>>Crafty on for size in a game or two.  Then come back and make that statement.
>>It's been hitting 9M+ nodes per second and is _not_ a pushover.
>
>Brutus has been hitting 20M+ nodes per second in Graz, so what?
>
>
>>I could
>>probably have shown up with a 16-way machine at the very least.  Do you _really_
>>think it would have no chance?  :)
>
>It is up to you to think about your chances. Had you thought you had real
>chances, you would have shown up.
>
>Again, Brutus had a far better evaluation than Crafty, far better search, and
>far better nps, and it only ended 4th.

How do you know that brutus had better evaluation and better search than crafty?

>
>On the same hardware, Falcon never scores less than 80% against Crafty, and it
>only ended 10th.

Did you test against 19.06 and not 19.03?(results that I read suggest that 19.06
is an improvement)
Did you test with own books and not with Fritz8.ctg?

Uri



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