Author: Omid David Tabibi
Date: 06:13:12 12/14/03
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On December 14, 2003 at 08:52:57, Uri Blass wrote: >On December 14, 2003 at 07:17:13, Omid David Tabibi wrote: > >>On December 14, 2003 at 00:02:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:15:00, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>> >>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:02:23, Sune Fischer wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:29:42, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:12:17, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 05:31:25, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Well, if without Chessbase engines you'll have a better event and make progress, >>>>>>>>I won't stand in your way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Your statement sounds like the people who tried to hold on to DOS too long when >>>>>>>Windows (and other multitasking operating systems) were clearly the future. >>>>>>>"Well, if without real mode you'll have better programs and make progress, I >>>>>>>won't stand in your way." You don't hear too many of those people these days. Is >>>>>>>Ed Schröder the only one left? :) Clearly, multiuser and multitasking operating >>>>>>>systems are progress over DOS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>45 participants is a heck of a lot more than 14. If there are 40 participants >>>>>>>instead, that's still a heck of a lot more than 14, with plenty of strong >>>>>>>competition. If we had this kind of participation along with the Chessbase >>>>>>>engines, that would be great, but I'll take 40+ participants with no Chessbase >>>>>>>participants over 14 including Chessbase participants. >>>>>> >>>>>>What was the average rating in Graz? What is the average rating in CCT? >>>>> >>>>>By this logic the tournament would have been even better with only Shredder, >>>>>Junior and Fritz. >>>>>The others just dragged down the rating, obviously. >>>> >>>>OK, let me put it this way: how many top programs participated in Graz? How many >>>>will participate in CCT? >>>> >>>>Having a chess championship without Junior/Fritz/Shredder is like having a >>>>football worldcup without Brazil, Italy, Germany, England... (and if like CCT >>>>you don't have any "drug tests", then Argentina will easily win, thanks to >>>>Maradona :) >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>If quantity is the only important factor for you, then you can take 100 free >>>>>>winboard engines, run a tournament on your computer, and crown the winner with >>>>>>the world champion title. >>>>> >>>>>Quantity is important, quantity means support, interest and recognition. >>>>> >>>>>Where was Tiger, where was Rebel, Ruffian, SmarThink, Crafty, Yace... in your >>>>>little shootout? >>>> >>>>Had they thought they had any chance to win the championship, they would have >>>>shown up. >>> >>>That statement is so far beyond stupid... it really doesn't deserve a >>>response. Drop over to ICC tonight or tomorrow night, try the quad opteron >>>Crafty on for size in a game or two. Then come back and make that statement. >>>It's been hitting 9M+ nodes per second and is _not_ a pushover. >> >>Brutus has been hitting 20M+ nodes per second in Graz, so what? >> >> >>>I could >>>probably have shown up with a 16-way machine at the very least. Do you _really_ >>>think it would have no chance? :) >> >>It is up to you to think about your chances. Had you thought you had real >>chances, you would have shown up. >> >>Again, Brutus had a far better evaluation than Crafty, far better search, and >>far better nps, and it only ended 4th. > >How do you know that brutus had better evaluation ?!? I saw the evaluations. >and better search than crafty? > Search depth, branching factor... Crafty's search and evaluation hasn't changed much in the recent years. >> >>On the same hardware, Falcon never scores less than 80% against Crafty, and it >>only ended 10th. > >Did you test against 19.06 and not 19.03?(results that I read suggest that 19.06 >is an improvement) How much improvement? 1% speedup? 2% speedup? 5% speedup? But the same search and evaluation I guess. >Did you test with own books and not with Fritz8.ctg? I don't think it will matter. You use your own books to direct the engine into positions it plays well. Against Crafty, Falcon has no problems in any kind of position. (This is not true for Junior for example. In the last test, Falcon beat Junior 4.5-1.5, but I don't think this difference of strength will hold true if I test Junior using its tournament book.) > >Uri
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