Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:52:54 12/14/03
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On December 14, 2003 at 07:17:13, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >On December 14, 2003 at 00:02:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On December 13, 2003 at 19:15:00, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:02:23, Sune Fischer wrote: >>> >>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:29:42, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:12:17, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 05:31:25, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Well, if without Chessbase engines you'll have a better event and make progress, >>>>>>>I won't stand in your way. >>>>>> >>>>>>Your statement sounds like the people who tried to hold on to DOS too long when >>>>>>Windows (and other multitasking operating systems) were clearly the future. >>>>>>"Well, if without real mode you'll have better programs and make progress, I >>>>>>won't stand in your way." You don't hear too many of those people these days. Is >>>>>>Ed Schröder the only one left? :) Clearly, multiuser and multitasking operating >>>>>>systems are progress over DOS. >>>>>> >>>>>>45 participants is a heck of a lot more than 14. If there are 40 participants >>>>>>instead, that's still a heck of a lot more than 14, with plenty of strong >>>>>>competition. If we had this kind of participation along with the Chessbase >>>>>>engines, that would be great, but I'll take 40+ participants with no Chessbase >>>>>>participants over 14 including Chessbase participants. >>>>> >>>>>What was the average rating in Graz? What is the average rating in CCT? >>>> >>>>By this logic the tournament would have been even better with only Shredder, >>>>Junior and Fritz. >>>>The others just dragged down the rating, obviously. >>> >>>OK, let me put it this way: how many top programs participated in Graz? How many >>>will participate in CCT? >>> >>>Having a chess championship without Junior/Fritz/Shredder is like having a >>>football worldcup without Brazil, Italy, Germany, England... (and if like CCT >>>you don't have any "drug tests", then Argentina will easily win, thanks to >>>Maradona :) >>> >>> >>>> >>>>>If quantity is the only important factor for you, then you can take 100 free >>>>>winboard engines, run a tournament on your computer, and crown the winner with >>>>>the world champion title. >>>> >>>>Quantity is important, quantity means support, interest and recognition. >>>> >>>>Where was Tiger, where was Rebel, Ruffian, SmarThink, Crafty, Yace... in your >>>>little shootout? >>> >>>Had they thought they had any chance to win the championship, they would have >>>shown up. >> >>That statement is so far beyond stupid... it really doesn't deserve a >>response. Drop over to ICC tonight or tomorrow night, try the quad opteron >>Crafty on for size in a game or two. Then come back and make that statement. >>It's been hitting 9M+ nodes per second and is _not_ a pushover. > >Brutus has been hitting 20M+ nodes per second in Graz, so what? So if you think I have no chance of winning, hop over to ICC and show me how inferior I am on hardware that would be 1/4 the speed (or less) of what I would have shown up with had I made the WCCC. _that_ is "what". Did _you_ think that you had a good chance of winning? Did you go? What was the reason? > > >>I could >>probably have shown up with a 16-way machine at the very least. Do you _really_ >>think it would have no chance? :) > >It is up to you to think about your chances. Had you thought you had real >chances, you would have shown up. Again, you are being stupid beyond belief. And that is _still_ the most arrogant, stupid statement I have ever heard. I'm glad you know _exactly_ why I didn't show up. I think I know _exactly_ why you can't figure any of this out either. > >Again, Brutus had a far better evaluation than Crafty, far better search, and >far better nps, and it only ended 4th. far better evaluation based on what? far better search based on what? Do you believe all the hyperbole you hear? I've played games against Brutus on ICC. > >On the same hardware, Falcon never scores less than 80% against Crafty, and it >only ended 10th. So, I would not be on the same hardware. I'd first doubt that you could beat me 4 of every 5 games on equal hardware. I don't believe you are over 200 points better. But second, I'd bet I could win 80% at 40M nps vs whatever you can produce. Again, it would be _competitive_. Whether it would win or not is not the issue. I'd certainly have a reasonable chance of winning... > > > >> >>I've explained why _I_ didn't go. It had _nothing_ to do with the probability >>of winning being too low. _I_ entered ACM and WCCC events when deep thought >>was playing, so it obviously didn't stop me back then. >> >>Stop with the short one-liners that have _zero_ basis in reality. Or come over >>to ICC for a _real_ dose of reality... >> I notice you failed to respond to the above. No answer? >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Could it be they didn't find it worth the trouble, or were they just too busy >>>>preparing for CCT6? >>>> >>>>-S.
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