Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:54:41 12/14/03
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On December 14, 2003 at 08:52:57, Uri Blass wrote: >On December 14, 2003 at 07:17:13, Omid David Tabibi wrote: > >>On December 14, 2003 at 00:02:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:15:00, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>> >>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:02:23, Sune Fischer wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:29:42, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:12:17, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 05:31:25, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Well, if without Chessbase engines you'll have a better event and make progress, >>>>>>>>I won't stand in your way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Your statement sounds like the people who tried to hold on to DOS too long when >>>>>>>Windows (and other multitasking operating systems) were clearly the future. >>>>>>>"Well, if without real mode you'll have better programs and make progress, I >>>>>>>won't stand in your way." You don't hear too many of those people these days. Is >>>>>>>Ed Schröder the only one left? :) Clearly, multiuser and multitasking operating >>>>>>>systems are progress over DOS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>45 participants is a heck of a lot more than 14. If there are 40 participants >>>>>>>instead, that's still a heck of a lot more than 14, with plenty of strong >>>>>>>competition. If we had this kind of participation along with the Chessbase >>>>>>>engines, that would be great, but I'll take 40+ participants with no Chessbase >>>>>>>participants over 14 including Chessbase participants. >>>>>> >>>>>>What was the average rating in Graz? What is the average rating in CCT? >>>>> >>>>>By this logic the tournament would have been even better with only Shredder, >>>>>Junior and Fritz. >>>>>The others just dragged down the rating, obviously. >>>> >>>>OK, let me put it this way: how many top programs participated in Graz? How many >>>>will participate in CCT? >>>> >>>>Having a chess championship without Junior/Fritz/Shredder is like having a >>>>football worldcup without Brazil, Italy, Germany, England... (and if like CCT >>>>you don't have any "drug tests", then Argentina will easily win, thanks to >>>>Maradona :) >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>If quantity is the only important factor for you, then you can take 100 free >>>>>>winboard engines, run a tournament on your computer, and crown the winner with >>>>>>the world champion title. >>>>> >>>>>Quantity is important, quantity means support, interest and recognition. >>>>> >>>>>Where was Tiger, where was Rebel, Ruffian, SmarThink, Crafty, Yace... in your >>>>>little shootout? >>>> >>>>Had they thought they had any chance to win the championship, they would have >>>>shown up. >>> >>>That statement is so far beyond stupid... it really doesn't deserve a >>>response. Drop over to ICC tonight or tomorrow night, try the quad opteron >>>Crafty on for size in a game or two. Then come back and make that statement. >>>It's been hitting 9M+ nodes per second and is _not_ a pushover. >> >>Brutus has been hitting 20M+ nodes per second in Graz, so what? >> >> >>>I could >>>probably have shown up with a 16-way machine at the very least. Do you _really_ >>>think it would have no chance? :) >> >>It is up to you to think about your chances. Had you thought you had real >>chances, you would have shown up. >> >>Again, Brutus had a far better evaluation than Crafty, far better search, and >>far better nps, and it only ended 4th. > >How do you know that brutus had better evaluation and better search than crafty? Because urban legend has it that _everybody_ has a better evaluation and better search. And _everybody_ can beat it 8 of every 10 games. Fortunately, when I show up I usually don't see such lop-sided results in reality. I am ready to test that hypothesis on ICC at any point in time... > >> >>On the same hardware, Falcon never scores less than 80% against Crafty, and it >>only ended 10th. > >Did you test against 19.06 and not 19.03?(results that I read suggest that 19.06 >is an improvement) >Did you test with own books and not with Fritz8.ctg? Does it really matter? Facts are not the important thing here... > >Uri
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