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Subject: Re: Technical question regarding interface for CCT

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:54:41 12/14/03

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On December 14, 2003 at 08:52:57, Uri Blass wrote:

>On December 14, 2003 at 07:17:13, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>
>>On December 14, 2003 at 00:02:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:15:00, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:02:23, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:29:42, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:12:17, Russell Reagan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 05:31:25, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, if without Chessbase engines you'll have a better event and make progress,
>>>>>>>>I won't stand in your way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Your statement sounds like the people who tried to hold on to DOS too long when
>>>>>>>Windows (and other multitasking operating systems) were clearly the future.
>>>>>>>"Well, if without real mode you'll have better programs and make progress, I
>>>>>>>won't stand in your way." You don't hear too many of those people these days. Is
>>>>>>>Ed Schröder the only one left? :) Clearly, multiuser and multitasking operating
>>>>>>>systems are progress over DOS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>45 participants is a heck of a lot more than 14. If there are 40 participants
>>>>>>>instead, that's still a heck of a lot more than 14, with plenty of strong
>>>>>>>competition. If we had this kind of participation along with the Chessbase
>>>>>>>engines, that would be great, but I'll take 40+ participants with no Chessbase
>>>>>>>participants over 14 including Chessbase participants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What was the average rating in Graz? What is the average rating in CCT?
>>>>>
>>>>>By this logic the tournament would have been even better with only Shredder,
>>>>>Junior and Fritz.
>>>>>The others just dragged down the rating, obviously.
>>>>
>>>>OK, let me put it this way: how many top programs participated in Graz? How many
>>>>will participate in CCT?
>>>>
>>>>Having a chess championship without Junior/Fritz/Shredder is like having a
>>>>football worldcup without Brazil, Italy, Germany, England... (and if like CCT
>>>>you don't have any "drug tests", then Argentina will easily win, thanks to
>>>>Maradona :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>If quantity is the only important factor for you, then you can take 100 free
>>>>>>winboard engines, run a tournament on your computer, and crown the winner with
>>>>>>the world champion title.
>>>>>
>>>>>Quantity is important, quantity means support, interest and recognition.
>>>>>
>>>>>Where was Tiger, where was Rebel, Ruffian, SmarThink, Crafty, Yace... in your
>>>>>little shootout?
>>>>
>>>>Had they thought they had any chance to win the championship, they would have
>>>>shown up.
>>>
>>>That statement is so far beyond stupid...  it really doesn't deserve a
>>>response.  Drop over to ICC tonight or tomorrow night, try the quad opteron
>>>Crafty on for size in a game or two.  Then come back and make that statement.
>>>It's been hitting 9M+ nodes per second and is _not_ a pushover.
>>
>>Brutus has been hitting 20M+ nodes per second in Graz, so what?
>>
>>
>>>I could
>>>probably have shown up with a 16-way machine at the very least.  Do you _really_
>>>think it would have no chance?  :)
>>
>>It is up to you to think about your chances. Had you thought you had real
>>chances, you would have shown up.
>>
>>Again, Brutus had a far better evaluation than Crafty, far better search, and
>>far better nps, and it only ended 4th.
>
>How do you know that brutus had better evaluation and better search than crafty?

Because urban legend has it that _everybody_ has a better evaluation and
better search.  And _everybody_ can beat it 8 of every 10 games.  Fortunately,
when I show up I usually don't see such lop-sided results in reality.  I am
ready to test that hypothesis on ICC at any point in time...

>
>>
>>On the same hardware, Falcon never scores less than 80% against Crafty, and it
>>only ended 10th.
>
>Did you test against 19.06 and not 19.03?(results that I read suggest that 19.06
>is an improvement)
>Did you test with own books and not with Fritz8.ctg?

Does it really matter?  Facts are not the important thing here...



>
>Uri



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