Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:36:36 12/14/03
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On December 14, 2003 at 17:05:18, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >On December 14, 2003 at 16:52:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On December 14, 2003 at 07:17:13, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On December 14, 2003 at 00:02:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:15:00, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:02:23, Sune Fischer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:29:42, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:12:17, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 05:31:25, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Well, if without Chessbase engines you'll have a better event and make progress, >>>>>>>>>I won't stand in your way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Your statement sounds like the people who tried to hold on to DOS too long when >>>>>>>>Windows (and other multitasking operating systems) were clearly the future. >>>>>>>>"Well, if without real mode you'll have better programs and make progress, I >>>>>>>>won't stand in your way." You don't hear too many of those people these days. Is >>>>>>>>Ed Schröder the only one left? :) Clearly, multiuser and multitasking operating >>>>>>>>systems are progress over DOS. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>45 participants is a heck of a lot more than 14. If there are 40 participants >>>>>>>>instead, that's still a heck of a lot more than 14, with plenty of strong >>>>>>>>competition. If we had this kind of participation along with the Chessbase >>>>>>>>engines, that would be great, but I'll take 40+ participants with no Chessbase >>>>>>>>participants over 14 including Chessbase participants. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What was the average rating in Graz? What is the average rating in CCT? >>>>>> >>>>>>By this logic the tournament would have been even better with only Shredder, >>>>>>Junior and Fritz. >>>>>>The others just dragged down the rating, obviously. >>>>> >>>>>OK, let me put it this way: how many top programs participated in Graz? How many >>>>>will participate in CCT? >>>>> >>>>>Having a chess championship without Junior/Fritz/Shredder is like having a >>>>>football worldcup without Brazil, Italy, Germany, England... (and if like CCT >>>>>you don't have any "drug tests", then Argentina will easily win, thanks to >>>>>Maradona :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>If quantity is the only important factor for you, then you can take 100 free >>>>>>>winboard engines, run a tournament on your computer, and crown the winner with >>>>>>>the world champion title. >>>>>> >>>>>>Quantity is important, quantity means support, interest and recognition. >>>>>> >>>>>>Where was Tiger, where was Rebel, Ruffian, SmarThink, Crafty, Yace... in your >>>>>>little shootout? >>>>> >>>>>Had they thought they had any chance to win the championship, they would have >>>>>shown up. >>>> >>>>That statement is so far beyond stupid... it really doesn't deserve a >>>>response. Drop over to ICC tonight or tomorrow night, try the quad opteron >>>>Crafty on for size in a game or two. Then come back and make that statement. >>>>It's been hitting 9M+ nodes per second and is _not_ a pushover. >>> >>>Brutus has been hitting 20M+ nodes per second in Graz, so what? >> >>So if you think I have no chance of winning, hop over to ICC and show me >>how inferior I am on hardware that would be 1/4 the speed (or less) of >>what I would have shown up with had I made the WCCC. >> >>_that_ is "what". >> >>Did _you_ think that you had a good chance of winning? Did you go? What >>was the reason? > >Yes, I thought I had reasonable chances of winning. It turned out that I had >heavily underestimated the importance of hardware (you can't beat any strong >engine running at 7M nps, when you are at 400k nps), but that is another story. > OK, then why would _I_ have chosen to not come, because I had no chance of winning, when I could do 9M on the machine I am using today, and would probably have been able to find a machine at _least_ 4x faster??? That is my point. Your basic assumption is stupid and wrong. I played in the 1989 WCCC event knowing I had practically no chance of beating deep thought with 16 processors. But I _was_ there. >But more importantly, I went there to test the waters in preparation for WCCC >2004. That's also why I didn't take my own hardware to Graz. > > > >> >> >>> >>> >>>>I could >>>>probably have shown up with a 16-way machine at the very least. Do you _really_ >>>>think it would have no chance? :) >>> >>>It is up to you to think about your chances. Had you thought you had real >>>chances, you would have shown up. >> >>Again, you are being stupid beyond belief. And that is _still_ the most >>arrogant, stupid statement I have ever heard. I'm glad you know _exactly_ >>why I didn't show up. I think I know _exactly_ why you can't figure any of >>this out either. >> >> >>> >>>Again, Brutus had a far better evaluation than Crafty, far better search, and >>>far better nps, and it only ended 4th. >> >>far better evaluation based on what? far better search based on what? >> >>Do you believe all the hyperbole you hear? I've played games against >>Brutus on ICC. >> >> >>> >>>On the same hardware, Falcon never scores less than 80% against Crafty, and it >>>only ended 10th. >> >>So, I would not be on the same hardware. I'd first doubt that you could >>beat me 4 of every 5 games on equal hardware. I don't believe you are >>over 200 points better. But second, I'd bet I could win 80% at 40M nps >>vs whatever you can produce. Again, it would be _competitive_. Whether it >>would win or not is not the issue. I'd certainly have a reasonable chance of >>winning... >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>I've explained why _I_ didn't go. It had _nothing_ to do with the probability >>>>of winning being too low. _I_ entered ACM and WCCC events when deep thought >>>>was playing, so it obviously didn't stop me back then. >>>> >>>>Stop with the short one-liners that have _zero_ basis in reality. Or come over >>>>to ICC for a _real_ dose of reality... >>>> >> >>I notice you failed to respond to the above. No answer? > >I didn't notice this part of your message. I will surely come to ICC, provided >that I first bridge some technical problems which were posted at the root of >this thread and still show up in the subject line... > > > >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Could it be they didn't find it worth the trouble, or were they just too busy >>>>>>preparing for CCT6? >>>>>> >>>>>>-S.
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