Author: Matthew Hull
Date: 11:34:38 12/15/03
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On December 15, 2003 at 13:51:19, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >On December 15, 2003 at 10:12:13, Thomas Mayer wrote: > >>Hi Omid, >> >>I don't really get your point in this discussion. I think you can not claim Bob >>that he would only participate when he thinks that he can win - > >Let's review again what I said: > >"If you think you have a chance to win, you will participate". Your statement is untrue. Instead, it should read: If you think you have a chance to win, you may or may not participate, depending on the other factors. For instance, if a person's bank account were empty and all his credit cards maxed out, it wouldn't matter if his winning chances were a certainty. He would not participate simply because it is financially impossible to do so. I think that's the idea people have been hoping would penetrate into your understanding. > >"chance to win" -> "participation". > >This statement doesn't say *anything* at all about the state of "no chance to >win". For some reason Bob thinks that > >"chance to win" -> "participation" > >is equivalent to > >"no chance to win" -> "no participation" > >which is terribly wrong. > >Most participants in Graz came knowing that they didn't have any reasonable >chances to win. Even I knew perfectly well that running on the slowest hardware >there, my winning chances are very slim. > >Well, none of these contradict my claim. > > > >> several times he >>has shown up at WCCCs with very minimal chances... > >Again, this doesn't contradict what I said. > > > >>Besides, I definitely believe that he has some chances with some big hardware. >> >>Bob shows us his reasons why he did not participate and why he does not want to >>participate in the upcoming WCCC at Israel. I do not agree with his reasons, but >>anyway I respect them somehow. >> >>I think only for the professionals exists the problem to have some chances to >>win or not -> to end like e.g. Deep Sjeng did (And I know it can do definitely >>better) is not very good for the sales. For us amateurs this is different, I >>believe. The olympic idea that participating is everything is still very high in >>my opinion - at least it was the reason for me to participate. > >Bad luck is always there. In Graz, Falcon and Sjeng competed on who gets the >worst luck! I was extremely unhappy with Falcon's results, as I'm sure GCP is >with Sjeng's result, but as result both GCP and I will work harder on our >programs to improve them. > >I suggest than in summer 2004 you conduct a test between the latest versions of >Sjeng and another commercial engine which doesn't show up to tournaments. I bet >Sjeng will be *far* stronger, because by participating in tournaments it always >becomes stronger, just like human players. > > >>Already before >>the start it was clear to me that my combination of book, engine and hardware >>has very low chances to win there (There is ALWAYS a chance, but say it was >>1:1.000.000 - which is better then in a lottery... :) - I was quite aware about >>the fact that I would fight for not being last. Anyway, how often would I get >>the chance to participate at a world championship ? For me that was a dream >>since 1986 (reading everything about WCCC 1986 - winner: Cray Blitz) - and I >>think that when you have the chance to get a dream reality you should take that >>chance... > >I completely agree with you, and again, I don't see how it contradicts what I >said. > > > >> >>Greets, Thomas >> >>P.S.: I will definitely try to get to Israel next year, but for now this is >>unsure because of business issues and still because of my girlfriend which has >>some problems with the security at the tournament site... Anyway I will try to >>convince her. > >Look forward to seeing you here! As far as security goes, on May there will be a >large number of Europeans in the Tel-Aviv area, coming for the final-four of >EuroLeague, finals of European Basketball Association.
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