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Subject: Re: Technical question regarding interface for CCT

Author: Matthew Hull

Date: 11:34:38 12/15/03

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On December 15, 2003 at 13:51:19, Omid David Tabibi wrote:

>On December 15, 2003 at 10:12:13, Thomas Mayer wrote:
>
>>Hi Omid,
>>
>>I don't really get your point in this discussion. I think you can not claim Bob
>>that he would only participate when he thinks that he can win -
>
>Let's review again what I said:
>


>"If you think you have a chance to win, you will participate".


Your statement is untrue.  Instead, it should read:  If you think you have a
chance to win, you may or may not participate, depending on the other factors.

For instance, if a person's bank account were empty and all his credit cards
maxed out, it wouldn't matter if his winning chances were a certainty.  He would
not participate simply because it is financially impossible to do so.

I think that's the idea people have been hoping would penetrate into your
understanding.


>
>"chance to win" -> "participation".
>
>This statement doesn't say *anything* at all about the state of "no chance to
>win". For some reason Bob thinks that
>
>"chance to win" -> "participation"
>
>is equivalent to
>
>"no chance to win" -> "no participation"
>
>which is terribly wrong.
>
>Most participants in Graz came knowing that they didn't have any reasonable
>chances to win. Even I knew perfectly well that running on the slowest hardware
>there, my winning chances are very slim.
>
>Well, none of these contradict my claim.
>
>
>
>> several times he
>>has shown up at WCCCs with very minimal chances...
>
>Again, this doesn't contradict what I said.
>
>
>
>>Besides, I definitely believe that he has some chances with some big hardware.
>>
>>Bob shows us his reasons why he did not participate and why he does not want to
>>participate in the upcoming WCCC at Israel. I do not agree with his reasons, but
>>anyway I respect them somehow.
>>
>>I think only for the professionals exists the problem to have some chances to
>>win or not -> to end like e.g. Deep Sjeng did (And I know it can do definitely
>>better) is not very good for the sales. For us amateurs this is different, I
>>believe. The olympic idea that participating is everything is still very high in
>>my opinion - at least it was the reason for me to participate.
>
>Bad luck is always there. In Graz, Falcon and Sjeng competed on who gets the
>worst luck! I was extremely unhappy with Falcon's results, as I'm sure GCP is
>with Sjeng's result, but as result both GCP and I will work harder on our
>programs to improve them.
>
>I suggest than in summer 2004 you conduct a test between the latest versions of
>Sjeng and another commercial engine which doesn't show up to tournaments. I bet
>Sjeng will be *far* stronger, because by participating in tournaments it always
>becomes stronger, just like human players.
>
>
>>Already before
>>the start it was clear to me that my combination of book, engine and hardware
>>has very low chances to win there (There is ALWAYS a chance, but say it was
>>1:1.000.000 - which is better then in a lottery... :) - I was quite aware about
>>the fact that I would fight for not being last. Anyway, how often would I get
>>the chance to participate at a world championship ? For me that was a dream
>>since 1986 (reading everything about WCCC 1986 - winner: Cray Blitz) - and I
>>think that when you have the chance to get a dream reality you should take that
>>chance...
>
>I completely agree with you, and again, I don't see how it contradicts what I
>said.
>
>
>
>>
>>Greets, Thomas
>>
>>P.S.: I will definitely try to get to Israel next year, but for now this is
>>unsure because of business issues and still because of my girlfriend which has
>>some problems with the security at the tournament site... Anyway I will try to
>>convince her.
>
>Look forward to seeing you here! As far as security goes, on May there will be a
>large number of Europeans in the Tel-Aviv area, coming for the final-four of
>EuroLeague, finals of European Basketball Association.



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