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Subject: Re: rook endgame test position

Author: Mihaly Szalai

Date: 13:45:25 12/15/03

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On December 15, 2003 at 16:23:15, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>[D] 5k2/1R4p1/5p2/4p2p/1p2P2P/r4P2/PK4P1/8 b - -
>
>This is from a game between Ruffian-Yace in the "CSS-Online-Masters" (time
>control 60 15).
>
>I think, after Ra4, white cannot make progress, and the game will end in draw.
>Yace played Re3? instead (with 0.0 score). Are there engines, that show in
>reasonable time a big score difference between Re3 and Ra4?. I believe Re3 loses
>by force. For example Re3 Rxb4 Re2 Kb3 Rxg2?! (possibly Re3 instead gives more
>resistance) a4.
>
>It is not a real good test position, because engines can show for a long time
>the same score for Ra4 and Re3, and the chosen move might be pure luck.
>Therefore also the question for scores after those moves.
>
>Regards,
>Dieter


Junior chooses Ra4.

5k2/1R4p1/5p2/4p2p/1p2P2P/r4P2/PK4P1/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Junior 8 (Celeron 1.7 GHz 64 MB hash):

1...b3 2.Kxa3 bxa2 3.Kxa2
  +-  (6.95)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...Ra4 2.g4 hxg4 3.fxg4 g5
  ?  (0.65)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  2kN
1...Ra4 2.g4 hxg4 3.fxg4 g5
  ?  (0.65)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  2kN
1...Ra4 2.g4 hxg4 3.fxg4 g5
  ?  (0.65)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  2kN
1...Ra4 2.g4 hxg4 3.fxg4 g5
  ?  (0.65)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  2kN
1...Ra4 2.g4 hxg4 3.fxg4 g6 4.g5 f5 5.Kb3
  ?  (0.62)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  26kN
1...Rd3 2.Rxb4 Rd2+ 3.Kb3 Rxg2 4.Rb8+ Kf7 5.Rb7+ Ke6 6.a4 g5 7.hxg5
  ?  (0.45)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  74kN
1...Rd3 2.Rxb4
  ±  (0.75)   Depth: 12   00:00:00  552kN
1...Ra4 2.Rc7 g6 3.Rd7 Ke8 4.Rb7 g5 5.hxg5
  ?  (0.49)   Depth: 12   00:00:00  804kN
1...Ra4 2.Rc7 g6 3.Rd7 Ke8 4.Rb7 Kd8 5.Kb3 Ra3+ 6.Kxb4 Rxa2 7.g4
  ?  (0.42)   Depth: 15   00:00:02  2552kN
1...Re3 2.Rxb4 Re2+ 3.Kb3 Rxg2 4.a4
  ?  (0.31)   Depth: 15   00:00:07  6747kN
1...Re3 2.Rxb4 Re2+ 3.Kb3 Rxg2 4.a4 Rg3 5.a5 Rxf3+ 6.Ka4 Rf1 7.a6 Ra1+ 8.Kb5 Ke8
9.Kb6 g5 10.hxg5 fxg5
  ?  (0.55)   Depth: 17   00:00:23  21119kN, tb=50
1...Ra4 2.Rc7 Ra3 3.Rc4 Rd3 4.Rxb4 Rd2+
  ?  (0.42)   Depth: 17   00:00:28  25965kN, tb=52
1...Ra4 2.Rc7 Ra3 3.Rc4 Ra4 4.Rc8+ Kf7 5.Rc7+ Kg8 6.Rc2 Ra3 7.Rc4 Ra4 8.Rc7 Ra8
  ?  (0.51)   Depth: 19   00:00:47  41524kN, tb=70
1...Ra4 2.Rc7 Kg8 3.Rc2 Ra3 4.Rc4 Ra4 5.Rc7 Ra3 6.Rb7 Re3
  ?  (0.41)   Depth: 21   00:02:38  133527kN, tb=468

After forcing Re3 Junior shows this:

New game
5k2/1R4p1/5p2/4p2p/1p2P2P/4rP2/PK4P1/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Junior 8:

2.f4 Rxe4
  l  (-0.52)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
2.g4 hxg4 3.fxg4
  l  (-0.39)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
2.Rxb4 Re2+
  ?  (0.49)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
2.Rxb4 Re2+
  ?  (0.49)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
2.Rxb4 Re2+ 3.Kb3
  ?  (0.49)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  9kN
2.Rxb4 Re2+ 3.Kb3 Rxg2 4.a4
  ?  (0.31)   Depth: 12   00:00:00  176kN
2.Rxb4 Re2+ 3.Kb3 Rxg2 4.a4 Rg3 5.a5 Rxf3+ 6.Ka4 Rf1 7.Rb8+ Ke7 8.Rb7+ Kd6
9.Rxg7 Rf4 10.a6 Rxh4
  ?  (0.31)   Depth: 15   00:00:04  3884kN, tb=39
2.Rxb4!
  ?  (0.61)   Depth: 18   00:00:43  41883kN, tb=81
2.Rxb4 Re2+ 3.Kb3 Rxg2 4.a4 Rg3 5.a5 Rxf3+ 6.Ka4 Rf1 7.a6 Ra1+ 8.Kb5 g5 9.Ra4
Rb1+ 10.Ka5 Rb8 11.hxg5
  ±  (1.07)   Depth: 18   00:01:59  113895kN, tb=153
2.Rxb4 Re2+ 3.Kb3 Re3+ 4.Kc4 Ra3 5.Rb2 Ra8 6.g4 hxg4 7.fxg4 Ra4+ 8.Kd5 Kf7 9.Rd2
Ra8 10.Kc5 Rc8+ 11.Kb4
  ±  (1.15)   Depth: 19   00:03:44  209749kN, tb=358

Mihaly



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