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Subject: Re: rook endgame test position

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 14:17:36 12/15/03

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On December 15, 2003 at 16:23:15, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>[D] 5k2/1R4p1/5p2/4p2p/1p2P2P/r4P2/PK4P1/8 b - -
>
>This is from a game between Ruffian-Yace in the "CSS-Online-Masters" (time
>control 60 15).
>
>I think, after Ra4, white cannot make progress, and the game will end in draw.
>Yace played Re3? instead (with 0.0 score). Are there engines, that show in
>reasonable time a big score difference between Re3 and Ra4?. I believe Re3 loses
>by force. For example Re3 Rxb4 Re2 Kb3 Rxg2?! (possibly Re3 instead gives more
>resistance) a4.
>
>It is not a real good test position, because engines can show for a long time
>the same score for Ra4 and Re3, and the chosen move might be pure luck.
>Therefore also the question for scores after those moves.

Crafty sees it going bad, but does not solve it in a reasonable time on a 950
MHz AMD Athlon:

search time set to 999.00.
White(1): epdpfga \dtest.epd dtest.out
PFGA: EPD record: 1
end-game phase
              clearing hash tables
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 16:39 (16:39)
              depth   time  score   variation (1)
                9     0.36   0.53   1. ... Ra4 2. Rc7 g6 3. Rb7 Kg8 4.
                                    g3 Kf8 5. Rd7 Ra3
                9     0.99   0.34   1. ... Rd3 2. Kc2 Rc3+ 3. Kb1 Rc4 4.
                                    Kb2 Rd4 5. Kb3 Rd2 6. Rxb4 Rxg2
                9     1.41   0.21   1. ... Re3 2. Rb8+ Kf7 3. Rxb4 Re2+
                                    4. Ka3 Rxg2 5. Rb7+ Ke6 6. Rb2 Rg3
                                    7. Rb6+ Ke7 <HT>
                9->   1.58   0.21   1. ... Re3 2. Rb8+ Kf7 3. Rxb4 Re2+
                                    4. Ka3 Rxg2 5. Rb7+ Ke6 6. Rb2 Rg3
                                    7. Rb6+ Ke7 <HT>
               10     2.31   0.00   1. ... Re3 2. Rb8+ Kf7 3. Rb7+ Kf8
               10->   2.50   0.00   1. ... Re3 2. Rb8+ Kf7 3. Rb7+ Kf8
               11     5.05  -0.09   1. ... Re3 2. Rb8+ Kf7 3. Rb7+ Kg8
                                    4. Rc7 g5 5. hxg5 fxg5 6. Rc5 g4 7.
                                    fxg4 hxg4 8. Rc8+ Kf7 9. Rc4
               11->   5.47  -0.09   1. ... Re3 2. Rb8+ Kf7 3. Rb7+ Kg8
                                    4. Rc7 g5 5. hxg5 fxg5 6. Rc5 g4 7.
                                    fxg4 hxg4 8. Rc8+ Kf7 9. Rc4
               12     8.48   0.00   1. ... Re3 2. Rb8+ Kf7 3. Rb7+ Kg8
                                    4. Rc7 g6 5. Rc6 Kg7 6. Rc7+ Kf8 7.
                                    Rc8+ Ke7 8. Rc4 Re2+ 9. Rc2 Rxc2+ 10.
                                    Kxc2 Kd6 11. g4 Kc5 12. gxh5 gxh5 13.
                                    Kb3 <HT>
               12->   9.90   0.00   1. ... Re3 2. Rb8+ Kf7 3. Rb7+ Kg8
                                    4. Rc7 g6 5. Rc6 Kg7 6. Rc7+ Kf8 7.
                                    Rc8+ Ke7 8. Rc4 Re2+ 9. Rc2 Rxc2+ 10.
                                    Kxc2 Kd6 11. g4 Kc5 12. gxh5 gxh5 13.
                                    Kb3 <HT>
               13    16.12   0.00   1. ... Re3 2. Rb8+ Kf7 3. Rb7+ Kg8
                                    4. Rc7 g6 5. Rc6 Kg7 6. Rc7+ Kf8 7.
                                    Rc8+ Ke7 8. Rc4 Re2+ 9. Rc2 Rxc2+ 10.
                                    Kxc2 Kd6 11. g4 Kc5 12. gxh5 gxh5 13.
                                    Kb3 <HT>
               13->  20.63   0.00   1. ... Re3 2. Rb8+ Kf7 3. Rb7+ Kg8
                                    4. Rc7 g6 5. Rc6 Kg7 6. Rc7+ Kf8 7.
                                    Rc8+ Ke7 8. Rc4 Re2+ 9. Rc2 Rxc2+ 10.
                                    Kxc2 Kd6 11. g4 Kc5 12. gxh5 gxh5 13.
                                    Kb3 <HT>
               14    38.06   0.00   1. ... Re3 2. Rb8+ Kf7 3. Rb7+ Kg8
                                    4. Rc7 g6 5. Rc6 Kg7 6. Rc7+ Kf8 7.
                                    Rc8+ Ke7 8. Rc4 Re2+ 9. Rc2 Rxc2+ 10.
                                    Kxc2 Kd6 11. g4 Kc5 12. gxh5 gxh5 13.
                                    Kb3 <HT>
               14->  46.12   0.00   1. ... Re3 2. Rb8+ Kf7 3. Rb7+ Kg8
                                    4. Rc7 g6 5. Rc6 Kg7 6. Rc7+ Kf8 7.
                                    Rc8+ Ke7 8. Rc4 Re2+ 9. Rc2 Rxc2+ 10.
                                    Kxc2 Kd6 11. g4 Kc5 12. gxh5 gxh5 13.
                                    Kb3 <HT>
               15     2:00   0.19   1. ... Re3 2. Rxb4 Re2+ 3. Ka1 Rxg2
                                    4. a4 Rf2 5. Rb3 g5 6. a5 gxh4 7. a6
                                    Rf1+ 8. Kb2 Rf2+ 9. Ka3 Rc2 10. a7
                                    Rc8
               15->   2:56   0.19   1. ... Re3 2. Rxb4 Re2+ 3. Ka1 Rxg2
                                    4. a4 Rf2 5. Rb3 g5 6. a5 gxh4 7. a6
                                    Rf1+ 8. Kb2 Rf2+ 9. Ka3 Rc2 10. a7
                                    Rc8
               16     5:36   0.21   1. ... Re3 2. Rxb4 Re2+ 3. Ka1 Rxg2
                                    4. a4 Rf2 5. Rb3 Rf1+ 6. Kb2 Rh1 7.
                                    a5 Rxh4 8. a6 Rh2+ 9. Ka3 Rh1 10. Rb8+
                                    Kf7 11. Rh8
               16->   9:09   0.21   1. ... Re3 2. Rxb4 Re2+ 3. Ka1 Rxg2
                                    4. a4 Rf2 5. Rb3 Rf1+ 6. Kb2 Rh1 7.
                                    a5 Rxh4 8. a6 Rh2+ 9. Ka3 Rh1 10. Rb8+
                                    Kf7 11. Rh8
               17    15:39   0.35   1. ... Re3 2. Rxb4 Re2+ 3. Ka1 Rxg2
                                    4. a4 Rg3 5. Rb3 f5 6. exf5 Rh3 7.
                                    a5 Rxh4 8. Rb5 Ke7 9. Rxe5+ Kf6 10.
                                    Rd5 Rh2
              time=16:39  cpu=92%  mat=0  n=489279813  fh=90%  nps=489k
              ext-> chk=22828934 cap=1526079 pp=1372404 1rep=313987 mate=44067
              predicted=0  nodes=489279813  evals=199284608
              endgame tablebase-> probes=696  hits=696
Black(1):



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