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Subject: Re: 100:1 NPS Challenge

Author: Matthew Hull

Date: 11:35:20 12/17/03

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On December 17, 2003 at 13:23:04, Slater Wold wrote:

>On December 17, 2003 at 13:20:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On December 17, 2003 at 13:09:57, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>On December 17, 2003 at 10:41:24, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 17, 2003 at 10:23:26, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 17, 2003 at 10:21:58, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 17, 2003 at 09:35:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 17, 2003 at 09:05:55, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I guess I will be running the 100:1 NPS challenge.  Here's the info:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I will use any books.bin & bookc.bin that Bob asks me to.  The book.bin will be
>>>>>>>>created from enormous.pgn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My suggestion is to use book.bin, bookc.bin and books.bin from my ftp
>>>>>>>machine.  book.bin has no learning data so it will start off in the best
>>>>>>>possible way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>remove position.bin before game 1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And, as I suggested previously, if, after a program leaves book, it is
>>>>>>>in an obviously won or lost position, the game gets aborted and the next
>>>>>>>one started.  There is no place for "book kills" when the goal is a time
>>>>>>>handicap match.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Agreed.  The only loss Crafty has suffered in the Rebel match was a book loss.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, what were the results of that match?
>>>>
>>>>3.5-1.5 for crafty
>>>>
>>>>see http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?336433
>>>>
>>>>Note that the match is not very interesting for me because it is an open
>>>>question if Crafty is better than rebel on equal hardware and in WBEC Crafty has
>>>>13/24 when Rebel has only 10/24
>>>
>>>There is no doubt in my mind Rebel is better than Crafty on equal hardware.  And
>>>I've played, oh, about 5,000 games with Rebel.
>>
>>I would take that wager.  We _both_ use quad opterons.
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Isn't that "equal" by any reasonable definition?  :)
>
>You have a point...

Bob is crafty.

>
>>>How much better is questionable, but it's obviously not 8x.  ;)
>>>
>>>>The more interesting question is if Rebel is able to get better result than
>>>>Crafty in the premier division.
>>>>
>>>>Uri



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