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Subject: Socrates vs Deep Thought2

Author: Howard Exner

Date: 19:23:04 11/22/98

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On November 22, 1998 at 11:22:30, Amir Ban wrote:

>On November 22, 1998 at 10:52:01, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>

>>Another good one, although I can't tell you where the thing starts, is the
>>game *socrates vs Deep Blue Prototype at Cape May new jersey, 1994.  The
>>critical point starts with both programs castling on the queenside if I
>>recall, and DB prototype initiating a pawn advance on that side.  If someone
>>has the game, or can find it, I might be able to find where the fireworks
>>started, or I'll ask Hsu as he probably remembers.  But this was another of
>>those very deep combinations..  At the point where it happened *none* of us
>>(including an IM and a bunch of good chess players) understood it until about
>>20 plies had unfolded and suddenly Mike Valvo says "oho!  look here, at the
>>end of this, *this* happens and this is crushing for black"...
>>
>>As I recall, this was more obvious once the punch line was found because it
>>was a long sequence that was pretty forced by both sides, once it was started...
>>
>>anybody have the last ACM games?
>
>
>[Event "24th ACM Computer Chess Championship"]
>[Site "Cape May, NJ USA"]
>[Date "1994.06.26"]
>[Round "4"]
>[White "Star Socrates"]
>[Black "Deep Thought II"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>
>1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nge2 Nf6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 d6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8.
>O-O-O h6 9. Bf4 Bd7 10. Nxc6 Bxc6 11. f3 d5 12. Qe1 Bb4 13. a3 Ba5 14. Bd2 O-O
>15. exd5 exd5 16. Bd3 Re8 17. Qh4 d4 18. Na2 Bxd2+ 19. Rxd2 a5 20. Bc4 b5 21.
>Rxd4 Qe7 22. Bf1 Qe3+ 23. Rd2 b4 24. Qd4 bxa3 25. Qxe3 axb2+ 26. Kxb2 Rxe3 27.
>Rd6 Rb8+ 28. Kc1 Ra3 29. Rxc6 Rxa2 30. g3 Ra1+ 31. Kd2 a4 32. Bg2 Rd8+ 33. Ke2
>Rxh1 34. Bxh1 Ra8 35. Rb6 Nd5 36. Rd6 Nc3+ 37. Kd3 a3 38. Kxc3 a2 39. Rd1 a1=Q+
>40. Rxa1 Rxa1 41. Bg2 Rg1 42. Bh3 Rh1 43. Bc8 Rxh2 44. g4 Rf2 45. Bb7 g6 46.
>Kd3 h5 47. gxh5 gxh5 48. Be4 h4 49. Ke3 Rg2 50. Bf5 Rg5 51. Bh3 Rg3 52. Bf1 h3
>53. Kf2 h2 54. Bg2 Rg7 55. f4 f5 56. Kf3 Kf7 57. Kf2 Rg4 58. Kf3 Ke7 59. Kf2
>Rg8 60. Kf1 Kd6 61. Kf2 0-1

Aren't other programs of today playing the same winning moves as Deep Thought
here? Starting with 22. ... Qe3+ and ending with 31. ... a4(Rd8+ looks like
a direct transposing of moves would be considered as good if followed by the
a4 advance).

Or is the point that Deep Thought ran these lines deeper, which I don't
doubt that it did.

I still think that the best demonstration of the project's strength
are games 2-5 of the second match with Kasparov. I'm still guessing
that these games really wore Kasparov down. These were great games
and games 3, 4 and 5 showed how extremely difficult it was
for the best chess player on the planet to convert his advantages in these games
to wins.





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