Author: Peter Skinner
Date: 01:51:51 12/18/03
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On December 18, 2003 at 04:12:07, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >On December 18, 2003 at 03:38:39, Peter Skinner wrote: > >>On December 18, 2003 at 03:21:26, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >> >>>03. Ruffian 2.0 by Per-Ola Valdfridsson (Sweden) is the strongest Winboard >>>compatible engine n the World today! >>> >>>Right / Wrong >>> >> >>You did advertise it as the "strongest" Winboard program in the World today. >>Today can last forever, as each time I look at the time, I see "today". This is >>where I see the problem that GCP has. Do we have _conclusive_ proof that Ruffian >>2.0 is the strongest? How can you say this statement when you don't know for >>sure. >> >>There is such a thing as false advertising, and all it would take is another >>Winboard engine to beat Ruffian 2.0 in a match to prove this claim is false and >>I would be able to sue your company. >> >>I remember years ago a company here in town said it had "The best hamburger in >>Edmonton". Some locals businesses took them to task on the statement, proved it >>wrong by a panel of 40 testers, and won a court battle biased on false >>advertising. >> >>Before one makes such statements, I would be sure they are correct. >> >>Peter. > >Hi Peter, > >I believe the most what you wrote is right! > >But you must see the combination of my text (point 1, point 2 and point 3). At >the moment you see only point 3 ... point 1 and point 2 standing on the first >positions. I have never said that Ruffian is the number one in the World because >I know that the ChessBase engines Shredder, Fritz, Junior, Hiarcs and Chess >Tiger are very strong. I am sure that Ruffian can hold this playing level but I >am not sure that Ruffian can beat all on different time controls. I know that >TheKing and Sjeng are very strong too but I don't see this engines in a rating >list in front of Ruffian 2.0.0, sorry! Fritz, Shredder, Junior and Hiarcs are not Winboard compatible. I do not see how they involved in the conversation. You said Winboard compatible, you said strongest, you said today. The latest Crafty is a tactical monster. As pointed out by several people here. Deep Sjeng is very strong on my computer, and in fact beat Ruffian in several matches. In fact when using Deep Sjeng online, I have beaten the Ruffian 2.0 testers on occasion, but not enough games to conclude anything. The wording you used is not correct, even if it _might_ be true. > >I don't saw that an other available WinBoard engine is stronger as Ruffian 2.0.0 >and I as producer of this CD-Rom I can give this information without any >problems because I have no other information. If I have other results (and I >public my results on my own webpages) you have right and cann't say Ruffian is >the strongest WinBoard engines in the World. As the producer I would be careful in your wording. You have absolutely no definate proof that Ruffian 2.0 is the best Winboard engine, as the only testing that was done was by beta testers. Being a former tester myself of Chess Tiger I was very careful to reserve judgement until the testing period had ended, enough games were played vs multiple opponents, and I was certain what I was saying could be backed up. Chess Tiger that year finished at #1 on the SSDF. I wrote a very nice article of the package it was included with. I wrote those words with absolute confidence I was reporting the correct information. I doubt you can say the same. > >Furhtermore, Ruffian played two official tournaments and won both. Ruffian won >all the tournament which are played in the last half year (available on Arena >webpages). All persons know that Ruffian is now one year the strongest free >available WinBoard and UCI engine, isn't it? I would bet $100 that Rebel 12 could beat Ruffian in a 100 game match at 40/2. I am 100% certain. Rebel 12 is a Winboard compatible engine. > >Maybe my text is not 100% right (I am sure that my text is to 100% right) and >only this important for me! What maybe important to you, might be offensive to others. Remember that. You are speaking to potential customers. I would always relay the best information possible, and as accurate as possible. >In combination with the word "bullshit" in an official computer chess forum is >the way which Gian-Carlo go not right, meaning without to see my product or to >hold it in there own hand. I am very disappointed about it because I don't like >it to use such words. No one other than the beta testers have seen the product. Can you not see how your comments would offend another author of a Winboard compatible engine? Especially one as strong as Deep Sjeng? I hope you can, or the point is moot. > >All in one: > >Frank: > >01. Maybe I have to write an other text for this handbook (meaning point 3). > >Gian Carlo: > >01. Have no possibilities for a court to say such things before he hold the CD >in the own hand. > >02. I am sure that no judge in the World like the word "Bullshit" !! Really a non-issue.. I say bullshit 50 times a day when I am online gaming :) >With other words: >If a person write me a mail about this text in the last 4 weeks I am absolutly >sure that I changed the text. I am sure with my words but I have no interest to >get problems with other companys or persons. > >For me is the text "strongest available WinBoard engines" absolutly right. I don't believe it to be absolutely right until proven beyond a shadow of doubt. Again I would just word it better as not to offend people. Peter.
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