Author: swaminathan natarajan
Date: 02:34:51 12/18/03
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On December 18, 2003 at 05:28:14, Uri Blass wrote: >On December 18, 2003 at 04:51:51, Peter Skinner wrote: > >>On December 18, 2003 at 04:12:07, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >> >>>On December 18, 2003 at 03:38:39, Peter Skinner wrote: >>> >>>>On December 18, 2003 at 03:21:26, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>> >>>>>03. Ruffian 2.0 by Per-Ola Valdfridsson (Sweden) is the strongest Winboard >>>>>compatible engine n the World today! >>>>> >>>>>Right / Wrong >>>>> >>>> >>>>You did advertise it as the "strongest" Winboard program in the World today. >>>>Today can last forever, as each time I look at the time, I see "today". This is >>>>where I see the problem that GCP has. Do we have _conclusive_ proof that Ruffian >>>>2.0 is the strongest? How can you say this statement when you don't know for >>>>sure. >>>> >>>>There is such a thing as false advertising, and all it would take is another >>>>Winboard engine to beat Ruffian 2.0 in a match to prove this claim is false and >>>>I would be able to sue your company. >>>> >>>>I remember years ago a company here in town said it had "The best hamburger in >>>>Edmonton". Some locals businesses took them to task on the statement, proved it >>>>wrong by a panel of 40 testers, and won a court battle biased on false >>>>advertising. >>>> >>>>Before one makes such statements, I would be sure they are correct. >>>> >>>>Peter. >>> >>>Hi Peter, >>> >>>I believe the most what you wrote is right! >>> >>>But you must see the combination of my text (point 1, point 2 and point 3). At >>>the moment you see only point 3 ... point 1 and point 2 standing on the first >>>positions. I have never said that Ruffian is the number one in the World because >>>I know that the ChessBase engines Shredder, Fritz, Junior, Hiarcs and Chess >>>Tiger are very strong. I am sure that Ruffian can hold this playing level but I >>>am not sure that Ruffian can beat all on different time controls. I know that >>>TheKing and Sjeng are very strong too but I don't see this engines in a rating >>>list in front of Ruffian 2.0.0, sorry! >> >>Fritz, Shredder, Junior and Hiarcs are not Winboard compatible. I do not see how >>they involved in the conversation. You said Winboard compatible, you said >>strongest, you said today. >> >>The latest Crafty is a tactical monster. As pointed out by several people here. > > >No. > >Tactics is not the strongest point of Crafty and there are about 30 free >winboard engines that are better than it in the GCP test suite. > >>Deep Sjeng is very strong on my computer, and in fact beat Ruffian in several >>matches. In fact when using Deep Sjeng online, I have beaten the Ruffian 2.0 >>testers on occasion, but not enough games to conclude anything. > >I do not count online tournament when hardware is not equal >and Leo's tournament is more important. >Ruffian is leading there with 21/28 > >> >>The wording you used is not correct, even if it _might_ be true. >>> >>>I don't saw that an other available WinBoard engine is stronger as Ruffian 2.0.0 >>>and I as producer of this CD-Rom I can give this information without any >>>problems because I have no other information. If I have other results (and I >>>public my results on my own webpages) you have right and cann't say Ruffian is >>>the strongest WinBoard engines in the World. >> >>As the producer I would be careful in your wording. You have absolutely no >>definate proof that Ruffian 2.0 is the best Winboard engine, as the only testing >>that was done was by beta testers. Being a former tester myself of Chess Tiger I >>was very careful to reserve judgement until the testing period had ended, enough >>games were played vs multiple opponents, and I was certain what I was saying >>could be backed up. Chess Tiger that year finished at #1 on the SSDF. I wrote a >>very nice article of the package it was included with. I wrote those words with >>absolute confidence I was reporting the correct information. I doubt you can say >>the same. >> >>> >>>Furhtermore, Ruffian played two official tournaments and won both. Ruffian won >>>all the tournament which are played in the last half year (available on Arena >>>webpages). All persons know that Ruffian is now one year the strongest free >>>available WinBoard and UCI engine, isn't it? >> >>I would bet $100 that Rebel 12 could beat Ruffian in a 100 game match at 40/2. I >>am 100% certain. Rebel 12 is a Winboard compatible engine. > >How can you be 100% certain when you even do not have Ruffian2.00 > >You can maybe be certain about beating Ruffian1.0.1 but not about beating >Ruffian2.00 > > > > >> >>> >>>Maybe my text is not 100% right (I am sure that my text is to 100% right) and >>>only this important for me! >> >>What maybe important to you, might be offensive to others. Remember that. You >>are speaking to potential customers. I would always relay the best information >>possible, and as accurate as possible. >> >> >>>In combination with the word "bullshit" in an official computer chess forum is >>>the way which Gian-Carlo go not right, meaning without to see my product or to >>>hold it in there own hand. I am very disappointed about it because I don't like >>>it to use such words. >> >>No one other than the beta testers have seen the product. Can you not see how >>your comments would offend another author of a Winboard compatible engine? >>Especially one as strong as Deep Sjeng? I hope you can, or the point is moot. >> >>> >>>All in one: >>> >>>Frank: >>> >>>01. Maybe I have to write an other text for this handbook (meaning point 3). >>> >>>Gian Carlo: >>> >>>01. Have no possibilities for a court to say such things before he hold the CD >>>in the own hand. >>> >>>02. I am sure that no judge in the World like the word "Bullshit" !! >> >>Really a non-issue.. I say bullshit 50 times a day when I am online gaming :) >> >>>With other words: >>>If a person write me a mail about this text in the last 4 weeks I am absolutly >>>sure that I changed the text. I am sure with my words but I have no interest to >>>get problems with other companys or persons. >>> >>>For me is the text "strongest available WinBoard engines" absolutly right. >> >>I don't believe it to be absolutely right until proven beyond a shadow of doubt. >>Again I would just word it better as not to offend people. >> >>Peter. > >I believe that it is the strongest available winboard engine. > >Uri only opinion from people NOT CLAIM!!!
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