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Subject: Re: Ruffian 2.0.0 CD-Rom ... information for you!

Author: swaminathan natarajan

Date: 02:34:51 12/18/03

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On December 18, 2003 at 05:28:14, Uri Blass wrote:

>On December 18, 2003 at 04:51:51, Peter Skinner wrote:
>
>>On December 18, 2003 at 04:12:07, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>
>>>On December 18, 2003 at 03:38:39, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 18, 2003 at 03:21:26, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>03. Ruffian 2.0 by Per-Ola Valdfridsson (Sweden) is the strongest Winboard
>>>>>compatible engine n the World today!
>>>>>
>>>>>Right / Wrong
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You did advertise it as the "strongest" Winboard program in the World today.
>>>>Today can last forever, as each time I look at the time, I see "today". This is
>>>>where I see the problem that GCP has. Do we have _conclusive_ proof that Ruffian
>>>>2.0 is the strongest? How can you say this statement when you don't know for
>>>>sure.
>>>>
>>>>There is such a thing as false advertising, and all it would take is another
>>>>Winboard engine to beat Ruffian 2.0 in a match to prove this claim is false and
>>>>I would be able to sue your company.
>>>>
>>>>I remember years ago a company here in town said it had "The best hamburger in
>>>>Edmonton". Some locals businesses took them to task on the statement, proved it
>>>>wrong by a panel of 40 testers, and won a court battle biased on false
>>>>advertising.
>>>>
>>>>Before one makes such statements, I would be sure they are correct.
>>>>
>>>>Peter.
>>>
>>>Hi Peter,
>>>
>>>I believe the most what you wrote is right!
>>>
>>>But you must see the combination of my text (point 1, point 2 and point 3). At
>>>the moment you see only point 3 ... point 1 and point 2 standing on the first
>>>positions. I have never said that Ruffian is the number one in the World because
>>>I know that the ChessBase engines Shredder, Fritz, Junior, Hiarcs and Chess
>>>Tiger are very strong. I am sure that Ruffian can hold this playing level but I
>>>am not sure that Ruffian can beat all on different time controls. I know that
>>>TheKing and Sjeng are very strong too but I don't see this engines in a rating
>>>list in front of Ruffian 2.0.0, sorry!
>>
>>Fritz, Shredder, Junior and Hiarcs are not Winboard compatible. I do not see how
>>they involved in the conversation. You said Winboard compatible, you said
>>strongest, you said today.
>>
>>The latest Crafty is a tactical monster. As pointed out by several people here.
>
>
>No.
>
>Tactics is not the strongest point of Crafty and there are about 30 free
>winboard engines that are better than it in the GCP test suite.
>
>>Deep Sjeng is very strong on my computer, and in fact beat Ruffian in several
>>matches. In fact when using Deep Sjeng online, I have beaten the Ruffian 2.0
>>testers on occasion, but not enough games to conclude anything.
>
>I do not count online tournament when hardware is not equal
>and Leo's tournament is more important.
>Ruffian is leading there with 21/28
>
>>
>>The wording you used is not correct, even if it _might_ be true.
>>>
>>>I don't saw that an other available WinBoard engine is stronger as Ruffian 2.0.0
>>>and I as producer of this CD-Rom I can give this information without any
>>>problems because I have no other information. If I have other results (and I
>>>public my results on my own webpages) you have right and cann't say Ruffian is
>>>the strongest WinBoard engines in the World.
>>
>>As the producer I would be careful in your wording. You have absolutely no
>>definate proof that Ruffian 2.0 is the best Winboard engine, as the only testing
>>that was done was by beta testers. Being a former tester myself of Chess Tiger I
>>was very careful to reserve judgement until the testing period had ended, enough
>>games were played vs multiple opponents, and I was certain what I was saying
>>could be backed up. Chess Tiger that year finished at #1 on the SSDF. I wrote a
>>very nice article of the package it was included with. I wrote those words with
>>absolute confidence I was reporting the correct information. I doubt you can say
>>the same.
>>
>>>
>>>Furhtermore, Ruffian played two official tournaments and won both. Ruffian won
>>>all the tournament which are played in the last half year (available on Arena
>>>webpages). All persons know that Ruffian is now one year the strongest free
>>>available WinBoard and UCI engine, isn't it?
>>
>>I would bet $100 that Rebel 12 could beat Ruffian in a 100 game match at 40/2. I
>>am 100% certain. Rebel 12 is a Winboard compatible engine.
>
>How can you be 100% certain when you even do not have Ruffian2.00
>
>You can maybe be certain about beating Ruffian1.0.1 but not about beating
>Ruffian2.00
>
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>Maybe my text is not 100% right (I am sure that my text is to 100% right) and
>>>only this important for me!
>>
>>What maybe important to you, might be offensive to others. Remember that. You
>>are speaking to potential customers. I would always relay the best information
>>possible, and as accurate as possible.
>>
>>
>>>In combination with the word "bullshit" in an official computer chess forum is
>>>the way which Gian-Carlo go not right, meaning without to see my product or to
>>>hold it in there own hand. I am very disappointed about it because I don't like
>>>it to use such words.
>>
>>No one other than the beta testers have seen the product. Can you not see how
>>your comments would offend another author of a Winboard compatible engine?
>>Especially one as strong as Deep Sjeng? I hope you can, or the point is moot.
>>
>>>
>>>All in one:
>>>
>>>Frank:
>>>
>>>01. Maybe I have to write an other text for this handbook (meaning point 3).
>>>
>>>Gian Carlo:
>>>
>>>01. Have no possibilities for a court to say such things before he hold the CD
>>>in the own hand.
>>>
>>>02. I am sure that no judge in the World like the word "Bullshit" !!
>>
>>Really a non-issue.. I say bullshit 50 times a day when I am online gaming :)
>>
>>>With other words:
>>>If a person write me a mail about this text in the last 4 weeks I am absolutly
>>>sure that I changed the text. I am sure with my words but I have no interest to
>>>get problems with other companys or persons.
>>>
>>>For me is the text "strongest available WinBoard engines" absolutly right.
>>
>>I don't believe it to be absolutely right until proven beyond a shadow of doubt.
>>Again I would just word it better as not to offend people.
>>
>>Peter.
>
>I believe that it is the strongest available winboard engine.
>
>Uri

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