Author: James T. Walker
Date: 12:53:02 12/18/03
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On December 17, 2003 at 13:20:03, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On December 17, 2003 at 13:09:57, Slater Wold wrote: > >>On December 17, 2003 at 10:41:24, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On December 17, 2003 at 10:23:26, Matthew Hull wrote: >>> >>>>On December 17, 2003 at 10:21:58, Slater Wold wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 17, 2003 at 09:35:16, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 17, 2003 at 09:05:55, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I guess I will be running the 100:1 NPS challenge. Here's the info: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I will use any books.bin & bookc.bin that Bob asks me to. The book.bin will be >>>>>>>created from enormous.pgn. >>>>>> >>>>>>My suggestion is to use book.bin, bookc.bin and books.bin from my ftp >>>>>>machine. book.bin has no learning data so it will start off in the best >>>>>>possible way. >>>>>> >>>>>>remove position.bin before game 1. >>>>>> >>>>>>And, as I suggested previously, if, after a program leaves book, it is >>>>>>in an obviously won or lost position, the game gets aborted and the next >>>>>>one started. There is no place for "book kills" when the goal is a time >>>>>>handicap match. >>>>> >>>>>Agreed. The only loss Crafty has suffered in the Rebel match was a book loss. >>>> >>>> >>>>BTW, what were the results of that match? >>> >>>3.5-1.5 for crafty >>> >>>see http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?336433 >>> >>>Note that the match is not very interesting for me because it is an open >>>question if Crafty is better than rebel on equal hardware and in WBEC Crafty has >>>13/24 when Rebel has only 10/24 >> >>There is no doubt in my mind Rebel is better than Crafty on equal hardware. And >>I've played, oh, about 5,000 games with Rebel. > >I would take that wager. We _both_ use quad opterons. > >:) > >Isn't that "equal" by any reasonable definition? :) > > >> >>How much better is questionable, but it's obviously not 8x. ;) >> >>>The more interesting question is if Rebel is able to get better result than >>>Crafty in the premier division. >>> >>>Uri ;) They are not running on "equal" hardware if one is using 4 cpus and the other is using only one cpu. I have several hundred blitz games of Crafty 19.7 vs Rebel 12 on 2 XP2400+ machines/auto232. I call that equal hardware. In that case Rebel has a slight advantage on Crafty of maybe 30-40 Elo. (According to the few hundred games so far). Jim
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