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Subject: Re: Hashing in distributed perft

Author: Steffen Jakob

Date: 07:04:48 12/19/03

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On December 19, 2003 at 09:31:33, Uri Blass wrote:

>On December 19, 2003 at 09:03:15, Steffen Jakob wrote:
>
>>On December 19, 2003 at 08:29:00, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>>>If you use pseudo-random numbers for zobrist hashing it is always possible to
>>>>>get a collision. Yes, this is paranoid. :-)
>>>>
>>>>No need to use pseudo random numbers.
>>>>
>>>>It is possible to store all the board with 192 bits easily as was explained in
>>>>another post.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>Here is the relevant post.
>>
>>This encoding is not appropriate for being used as a hash key. You have these
>>192 bits. To get the index into the hash table you filter some of those bits.
>>With the encoding of the posting which you mentioned it is very likely that a
>>lot of similar positions are mapped to the same index. Therefore you will not
>>use the hash table in an efficient way. It will be efficient with zobrist
>>hashing.

>
>When looking again at that post I agree that it does not give side to move and
>castling in the 192 bits but I think that it is not hard to change it to do it.
>
>12 bits for the squares of the kings
>62 bits to give the empty squares of other pieces.
>
>The rest of the squares are at most 15 white pieces and 15 black pieces and you
>can give 30 bits for side of the rest of the squares and every 3 squares now
>have 5^3<2^7 options so you can use 7 bits for every 3 non empty squares or 70
>more bits.
>
>Now you have:12+62+30+70=184 bits.
>
>side to move castling right and en passent can be easily stored in 8 bits.
>
>side to move is 1 bit
>castling rights is 4 bits
>enpassent right is 3 bits because 000 means no enpassent capture is possible
>001 means that the first suspected pawn can be captured by enpassent rule and it
>is impossible to have 8 pawns that we suspect them because if white has 8 pawns
>in a4 b4,c4,...h4 it is obvious that enpassent capture is impossible.

Is this a reply to my last posting? Did you read it? :-)

Greetings,
Steffen.



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