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Subject: Re: logicisms and facts

Author: Darse Billings

Date: 11:56:43 12/21/03

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On December 21, 2003 at 05:47:05, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On December 21, 2003 at 03:52:44, Darse Billings wrote:
>
>>It is no more than _trivia_.  It is *NOT* an official draw claim.
>
>
>But is the 3-fold repetition a draw or not? It is a draw, whether you claim it
>or NOT.


No, it isn't, actually.  It's an opportunity to draw.


>>It can even be the case that a draw is worthless to both players,
>>in which case a position might be repeated indefinitely until the
>>clock decides the outcome.
>
>Here is the top height of illogicical statements. Even a 12 y. old kid can
>understand that the continuing of such a repetition is nonsense. And that is
>exactly why the rules say, already after a three times repetition it is a draw.
>Officially a draw.


That isn't what the rules say.  Perhaps it should be.

If I were on the rules committee, I would vote in favour of
automatically declaring a 4-fold repetition to be a draw.
That could be taken care of by a referee program.  Then
it would be up to the program to deviate if it wanted to
continue.

We agree on how it should be, but that isn't the way things
currently are.


>> He also could have made
>>the bogus claim that he wanted to continue in the hope of winning
>>due to a bug, and no one could argue that that was not possible.
>
>Objection. That would have been cheating, Sir!


No, it is his right to try to win.  The draw claim is not mandatory.
You might think it is unethical, but others would see it as ethical
on higher grounds, or as simply poor judgement (he has a right
to that too).  The arbiter's opinion is the one that matters.

I would have allowed it.  You wouldn't.  Fine.


>>Since it *is* legal to decline an opportunity to draw,
>
>No, it is NOT legal in computerchess! Or show us the rule that says exactly
>this!
>

I have.  Time wasted, perhaps.

  - Darse.



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