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Subject: Re: Chess: Humans vs computors Is Shuffle chess a solution? FRC !

Author: swaminathan natarajan

Date: 08:48:35 12/22/03

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On December 22, 2003 at 11:35:35, Reinhard Scharnagl wrote:

>On December 22, 2003 at 11:26:05, swaminathan natarajan wrote:
>
>>On December 22, 2003 at 11:13:10, Reinhard Scharnagl wrote:
>>
>>>On December 22, 2003 at 10:59:37, swaminathan natarajan wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi Reinhard,
>>>>
>>>>why Shuffle chess not so popular nowadays for testing chess engines
>>>>i would pick shuffle chess rather than normal or FRC
>>>>
>>>>1.normal chess needs opening book
>>>>2.most engine does not support FRC
>>>>
>>>>So,Shuffle chess is the best way to ESTIMATE programs playing strenght
>>>
>>>Hi swaminathan,
>>>
>>>in my opinion shuffle chess - without castling - is no real chess,
>>>whereas FRC is a game superset fully including the traditonal chess!
>>>
>>>See: [http://www.rescon.de/Compu/fullchess1_e.html] (ten pages).
>>>
>>>Regards, Reinhard.
>>
>>
>>Hi
>>
>>i doubt wheter all engines support Shuffle chess......
>>i know only a few engines(EL Baron,Hermann,Betsy etc)support FRC
>>
>>i like any kind of chess,Ruffian plays Shuffle chess but crafty doesnt
>>
>>some play,some dont
>>
>>i want all programs play from different start position
>>
>>thanks to your work in FRC!
>
>Hi swaminathan,
>
>there also are engines, which do not play shuffle chess correctly. May be they
>are castling, when king and rook are placed at traditional places, may be
>they do not understand shuffle chess starting positions at all.
>
>But you are right, until now there are much too less FRC enabled engines.
>
>Seriously spoken, there still are some minor problems implementing FRC or
>using an FRC enabled GUI. The ARENA GUI has a leading implementation of it.
>
>But the reason for widly ignoring implementing FRC seems to be, that engine
>writers like to cover opening weaknesses by using huge opening libraries.
>But by that they also are avoiding progresses in developing that game phase.
>
>For that see: [http://www.rescon.de/Compu/schachfair_e.html] on fair engines.
>
>Regards, Reinhard.


Hi Reinhard,

thanks for replying,

do you have any idea,where could one find engines that support Shuffle chess


thanks



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