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Subject: Re: Chess: Humans vs computors Is Shuffle chess a solution? FRC !

Author: Mike S.

Date: 15:11:03 12/22/03

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On December 22, 2003 at 11:48:35, swaminathan natarajan wrote:

>(...) where could one find engines that support Shuffle chess

Basically, *all* engines which support setup, must be shuffle chess compatible
in the technical sense. These are just "normal" positions which could be set up
as well like any other chess position. Also, all engines should be able to
castle when the rooks and kings are placed on the classical starting positions
and the castling rights are set correctly in the FEN (or in the setup dialogue).

So, you can try any engine which you find i.e. from

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/
http://www.uciengines.de/

(and the profi engines of course)

Use these "compatible" shuffle chess* positions to start from:

rqbbknnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RQBBKNNR w KQkq - 0 1
rqbnkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RQBNKBNR w KQkq - 0 1
rqnbknbr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RQNBKNBR w KQkq - 0 1
rqnnkbbr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RQNNKBBR w KQkq - 0 1
rbqnknbr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RBQNKNBR w KQkq - 0 1
rnqbknbr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNQBKNBR w KQkq - 0 1
rnqnkbbr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNQNKBBR w KQkq - 0 1
rbbqknnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RBBQKNNR w KQkq - 0 1
rbnqknbr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RBNQKNBR w KQkq - 0 1
rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1
rnnqkbbr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNNQKBBR w KQkq - 0 1
rbbnkqnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RBBNKQNR w KQkq - 0 1
rbnnkqbr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RBNNKQBR w KQkq - 0 1
rnbbkqnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBBKQNR w KQkq - 0 1
rnnbkqbr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNNBKQBR w KQkq - 0 1
rbbnknqr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RBBNKNQR w KQkq - 0 1
rnbbknqr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBBKNQR w KQkq - 0 1
rnbnkbqr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBNKBQR w KQkq - 0 1

I have even run a tournament with old chess computers against software, using
these positions. There were no technical problems (but some ugly games :-)) but
also quite good ones):

http://members.aon.at/computerschach/oldies2/oldies2c.htm#licht

*) btw. there are various different definitions, or variants, of shuffle chess
(with or without castling, with or without bishops on different square colour,
w/b symmetry or not...)

Regards,
M.Scheidl



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