Author: Darse Billings
Date: 15:22:13 12/22/03
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On December 21, 2003 at 23:28:51, Robert Hyatt wrote: >I _do_ know the rules. I can read. But choose not to? >I _do_ know the rules. >You didn't look that good in your interpretation >of the WCCC rules, because you kept refering to FIDE rules which have >little to do with the situation in the Shredder vs Jonny game. False. RULES FOR THE 11th WORLD COMPUTER-CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP Graz, Austria 21-30 November, 2003 The Board of ICGA GENERAL RULES 5. Unless otherwise specified, rules of play are identical to those of human tournament play. If a point is in question, the Tournament Director has the right to make the final decision. FIDE rules are in effect, like it or not. >I have no idea where you get your information, but you _really_ need >a new source. No, I think I'll stick to the ICGA WCCC rules, and the FIDE rules that apply in all other cases, thanks. You use whatever you want. A pop-up window indicating a third occurence of position is not the same as claiming a draw on that account. The program did not say "I claim a draw", so it hasn't done so. Is that *really* so hard to understand? *Really*? >the chess system "Jonny" claimed a 3-fold repetition ... >When the program says "3-fold repetition" it is _over_. False. The game is over when the program says "I claim a draw". That is why *you* changed Crafty to conform to the actual rules. Five self-contradictions (and counting) must surely be due to more than simple daftness. Perhaps your obtuseness is only an act, and you are just trying to cause trouble. >As a TD you do _not_ get to make up rules as you go. Again, please >cite the _specific_ rule that would allow you to make such a decision. >There is no such rule From the FIDE Laws of Chess Official Handbook Article 9: The drawn game 9.2 The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by the player having the move, when the same position, for at least the third time (not necessarily by sequential repetition of moves) a. is about to appear, if he first writes his move on his scoresheet and declares to the arbiter his intention to make this move, or b. has just appeared, and the player claiming the draw has the move. Positions as in (a) and (b) are considered the same, if the same player has the move, pieces of the same kind and colour occupy the same squares, and the possible moves of all the pieces of both players are the same. Positions are not the same if a pawn that could have been captured en passant can no longer be captured or if the right to castle has been changed temporarily or permanently. 9.4 If the player makes a move without having claimed the draw he loses the right to claim, as in Article 9.2 or 9.3, on that move. When the rules are not a perfect fit, it is up to the arbiter to make an appropriate interpretation. I have, and so did the ICGA. Perhaps you should read the rules. - Darse.
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