Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 18:02:05 12/22/03
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On December 22, 2003 at 20:50:32, Axel Schumacher wrote: >And again you did not mention (intentionally, of course) that Johnny DID NOT >claimed the draw. The GUI, (which is independent of the engine) announced a >draw. This is a scandal. A "crime" of you Rolf ! >The whole scandal is more evil than I at first had thought. Because it was >always claimed that Zwanzger - being a chessmaster - commited a >"crime" [Tueschen]. But the truth is that by quickly moving Zwanzger did exactly >what Johnny evaluated. The later scapegoating of Rolf was just a fake. A hoax. >An unsportive joke. > >I am confident thaqt Bob Hyatt had not imagined that Tueschen could have done >such a "crime". > >Frohe Weihnachten > >Axel Dito, Axel. And I feel for you who is such a lonely boy. This Paul Anka song was the first hit single I ever had when I won it in a contest on Radio Luxemburg. I'm just a lonely boy, lonely and blue... So on Christmas I'm with you although I'm not alone and a man. But let's see what you said about the innocence of the Jonny operator. You claim that the GUI did NOT claim the draw properly. I disagree. The pop-up of the window says: [Levy quote] "info!" To whom? To the operator! Then "3-fold-repetition!" At that moment Zwanzger was forced to stop the clocks and call the arbiter etx pp. He then had shown the situation, the intended move etc. Jaap would have agreed to the draw. With his crime Zwanzger cause a little confusion in Jaap who then agreed to play on which was wriong etc pp. Again, all the best to you in Canada - if ever you are there. As you know the internet is a big theater. Rolf > > >P.S. Rolf, I know you love this word-games :-) > > > > > >Rolf Tueschen wrote: > ><After a little research on the internet I almost fell out of bed when I read >it. >But let me tell you how it all began. > >At first the scenario in Graz looked like this in my mind: > >Jonny operator and author Zwanzger refused to respect the will of the machine >for a draw by 3-fold-repetition because he wanted to let SHREDDER win (because >he thought Jonny didn't deserve a draw in such a lost position). He quickly made >a move by the machine which destroyed the 3-fold-repetition. TD arrived, saw no >correct 3-fold-draw and so went away. > >It was always mentioned that Zwanzger behaved honestly. From other sources I >knew that Zwanzger is playing chess in the German league, so he's an almost >master player with an Elo of - if I remember right - of 2350. > >Of course Zwanzger knows the FIDE rule for the 3-fold. It is: you have the move >and have the draw in mind. You then write down your next move, but you don't >move. You then go to the TD and claim a draw. Before you do that you stop the >clocks. TD comes and looks for the position and reads the score sheet. He then >declares a draw. > >All that is well known to Zwanzger. He certainly also knows that the operator is >NOT playing the game but the machine. Otherwise he could play cyborg chess. > >So - after thinking about that scenario I wrote comments against Zwanzger and >called his behaviour cheating. Because he did intentionally disadvantage FRITZ >and JUNIOR. This is unallowed misbehaviour - since his machine had shown the >3-fold and therefore Zwanzger should have followed his machine's order. > >----------------------------------------------------- > >But please dear reader, I beg you to re-read exactly what I wrote above, before >you continue to read the message below. I wished to demonstrate to you how I >fell out of bed. But to enjoy it you must know exactly what I thought had >happened in Graz. > >Now - did you re-read the text? > > >If yes, you can now continue your lecture. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >I must apologize to all of you because I screw up the whole scenario that really >happened at Graz. Something different had happened. And with the knowledge of >what really had happened you will understand in a nano second why Zwanzger >cheated. Note that the important part of the description above is the detail >when Zwanzger made his move. I beg you to realize that Zwanzger is a FIDE master >player! He's NOT just a coffeehouse player who doesn't know the FIDE rules from >his grandmother but he knows it because he plays professional chess probably for >money in the German chess league. At least I read that somewhere. His strength >is 2350 so this is just below IM strength. Zwanzger is a chess master. Now - I >will end this suspense about what really happened in Graz! > > >Here is the exact quote from David Levy, the President of the ICGA!!! > > >[quote from the ChessBase pages without the least in-between snip] > >DAVID LEVY, LONDON: > >"... When the relevant position arose in the Shredder vs Jonny game the Jonny >program announced its move and stated on the screen “info” and “dreifache >Stellungswiederholung”, meaning “information” and “threefold repetition of >position” respectively. The operator of the Jonny program then made the >program’s move on the board, pressed the clock and went to call the Tournament >Director, Jaap van den Herik. When Professor van den Herik arrived at the board >he could see that the move leading to the repetition had been completed on the >board. > >Some discussion ensued. Profesor van den Herik ruled that because the move had >been completed on the board it was no longer possible for the operator to claim >a draw. > >This game became the subject of much discussion on the Chessbase site and will >doubtless be discussed at length elsewhere. The ICGA would therefore like to >make it absolutely clear why Professor van den Herik’s ruling was correct. ..." > >DAVID LEVY, LONDON > >[end of the little quote on the ChessBase pages] > > > > >First of all the Jonny program behaved properly according to the rules of FIDE >that allegedly [see Billings] were used in Graz. Jonny didn't announce his >move!!!! Because that would have forced the operator to make that move!!! Jonny >instead announced that he saw a 3-fold rep. Then the operator had to close the >window with the message. He then had to stop the clocks and then he should have >told the TD that he now had a move that led to the 3-fold rep. > >But Jonny operator Zwanzger did something very dishonest. He ignored the 3-fold >repetition [FIDE version!!! as apllied in Graz] and he moved the displayed move! > >But at that moment the draw was destoyed according to the FIDE rules and >Zwanzger knew it 100% as a tournament player in FIDE tournament chess!!!! >There is absolutely no doubt. > >Now we can understand what the cheat was. Not that Jonny suddenly made a >different move leading away from the draw. No!! Jonny indicated exactly the >correct procedere. He announced the 3-fold in popping up the window that then >had to be closed. But in the meantime the operator must stop the clocks and call >for the TD. > >Zwanzger simply violated the rules. He moved against the will of the machine and >so destroyed the machines little triumph of a draw in a completely lost >position. > > > >At that moment I fell out of my bed..............................! > > > > >The whole scandal is more evil than I at first had thought. Because it has >always claimed that Zwanzger - not knowing the rules in computerchess - made a >"mistake" [Mayer]. But the truth is that by quickly moving Zwanzger destroyed >the draw. The later call for the TD was just a fake. A hoax. An unsportive joke. > >I am confident thaqt Bob Hyatt had not imagined that Zwanzger xould have done >such a "crime". Also Bob always thought that Zwanzger misbehaved but that the >error was on the side of the TD. But it was in fact Zwanzger. > >So far about FIDE. > >But now about the passive operator in computerchess. > >When TD arrived at the board he should have understood the two aspects. FIDE and >computerchess. According to the FIDE rules he should have thrown Zwanzger out of >the tournament (part one). > >According to the computerchess traditions he should have ordered to take back >the played moves after the message in the pop-up window. Then the game would >have been a draw (part two). > >I stood up again. Drank a cup of cool water from the Canadian Icebergs... > >Good night, Jaap. ;) > >Rolf
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