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Subject: Re: Possible that Patriot can beat the WinBoard Monster Ruffian ...

Author: Frank Quisinsky

Date: 02:17:27 12/23/03

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On December 23, 2003 at 04:32:43, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:

>On December 23, 2003 at 04:00:35, Tony Werten wrote:
>
>>On December 23, 2003 at 02:04:56, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>(I see same result below yes.) Not a dream start - it indicates after only 4
>>>games, that Ruffian 99% sure is not at S7.04 level. It was start of Nunn match
>>>ans R2 start to play better with total result 9 - 11. Same match againt Fritz8
>>>8,5-11,5.
>>>These are good result and indicate, that Ruffian is may be 50 points improved,
>>>which I consider enough to buy it!
>>>At least one thing is sure: Ruffian is yhe strongest program in the world
>>>WITHOUT copy protection (I am not sure about Lokasoft engines).
>>
>>Don't forget to claim that it is the strongest engine in the world that starts
>>with an R and ends with uffian.
>
>Seriously, Tony. I doubt that there is another wb-engine which could do better
>against Shredder.
>
>The claim Ruffian to be the strongest wb-engine seems quite reasonable to me.
>Perhaps Bruce's private monster is the most serious candidate to throw doubts on
>this. But Ferret isn't available; so we don't have too many results.
>
>Admittedly, it's a bit of an offensive style of advertising.
>But doubtlessly, Perola has done an excellent job.
>
>Looking to the results published by Pablo in another post here
>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?337781
>
>which is
>PABLO-ILFE1CXZX, Blitz:9'+3  2003
>
>                   123456789012345678901234
>1   Shredder 7.04  00011½0½½1111110½0½11111 15.5/24
>2   Ruffian 2.0.0  11100½1½½0000001½1½00000  8.5/24
>
>nicely demonstrates how unreliable a result of a 4-game match is. Fluctuations
>are just too big to make conclusions.
>
>Have nice holidays,
>Uli
>
>
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>>
>>>Jouni
>>>
>>>PS. Season greetings to all here

Hi there,

against Shredder 7.04 is this a bad results !!

In my 100 games match Ruffian 2.0.0 losed with 47,5 : 52,5 but Ruffian 2.0.0
have better results in a bigger group of amateur engines as Shredder 7.04 under
Arena Chess GUI (Shredder don't play with his own book). Interesting is that
Ruffian made 60% after 30 games with 40 moves in 5 minutes vs. Shredder 7.04!

I wrote this last months!
I believe that Ruffian 2.0.0 is a little bit more as 100 ELO stronger as Ruffian
1.0.1 or maybe 80 ELO stronger as Ruffian 1.0.5 with 40 moves in 10 minutes on
my Pentium IV 2,67 GHz Notebook.

Today I saw the results from Alexander Schmidt in my forum. Ruffian is after
more as 100 games 70 ELO stronger as Ruffian 1.0.5.

Exactly 17 ELO more and Alexander have my ELO rating result after 600 games
under Arena Chess GUI (played with Ruffian 2.0.0 test versions ... compare to
Ruffian 1.0.5).

The results vs. Shredder are very interesting because I am sure that Shredder is
the number 1 for the moment. More interesting are games with longer time
controls because its nice to see that Ruffian is very very strong in long time
analyzes and switch the move often after 4-6 minutes on my Pentium IV 2,67
Notebook. Reason enough that Ruffian 2.0.0 is for me the most interesting
engines for long time anlyzes _with_ Shredder 7.04 (I saw that Shredder 7.04
give me very very strong long time analyzes too).

I am to 100% sure that Ruffian is the strongest WB engines in the World,
speaking from engines which are commercial or free avaialble. I know only one
amateur program which make a little bit more as 50% in longer matches vs.
Ruffian but this engine is so far a private program but the results vs. other
engines are not to strong compare to Ruffian 2.0.0!

It's possible that Patriot is a little bit better as Ruffian 2.0.0!
We will see ...

Patriot is my second CD project!
First results are in the next weeks available ...

Best
Frank



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