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Subject: Re: no claim, no draw (etc.) Additional Remark

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 05:29:59 12/26/03

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On December 26, 2003 at 05:52:01, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>The truth is that you simply do _not_ read what has been said. The moment a prog
>discovers a 3-fold it will go for it if it's in a worse position. Like Jonny
>whose operator however chose to cheat and he played on. If a prog is in a better
>position then why the hell should it go for the rep??? If the rep is not to
>avoid then yes, why didn't the program avoid the rep earlier in the game?
>
>What you are discussing here is inventing cool scenarios which could never
>happen in reality. Why? Because the rules say that a 3-fold rep is a draw.


I think it is worthwhile to add that SHREDDER apparently went for the 3-fold
_although_ it had a won position. So - it is _not_ totally irreal. But this
stupidity in a program has nothing to do with how in - computerchess - the
3-fold rep should be handled. Or is it a reasonable position to whine that
SHREDDER is normally the best and therefore he should not be disadvantaged for
his _own_ stupidity?

I think that is probably the main twist why so many people tried to "change" the
rules for computerchess. But in reality these rules are clear. If there is a
3-fold factually on the board and the machine pops up no matter on the second
move or before the third, the operator has to claim a draw. Very easy. All other
solutions are cheating. Also the opposing operator has seen the pop-up and can
therefore inform the arbiter if the operator on the move doesn't react properly.

I would go so far that we have two possibilities only:

(1) Operator acts along the rules and claims a draw no matter what the text of
the 3-fold pop-up or

(2) Operator doesn't react for reasons unknown - then this is cheating and the
arbiter must be informed; the operator has NOT the right to ignore his machine's
signals.

Arbiter in case (2) should ban the operator and call the game officially a draw.
If he would call it a loss for the failing operator's side then this operator
probably had got the results he wanted, like Zwanzger, the operator of Jonny vs
Shredder.

Rolf



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