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Subject: Re: Crafty and Ruffian odd 4th move choice ...

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 20:56:32 12/26/03

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On December 26, 2003 at 23:49:51, Jim Monaghan wrote:

>Hi Mike,
>
>Thanks for the engine. I set it up in Arena and tested it on the 4th move
>postion:
>
>8/4P3/2B5/8/8/6p1/5kP1/5b1K w - - 0 4
>
>Here's the result:
>Crafty 19.08 SE  WB2 29 MB:
>11   00:00  4.17   1. e8=B Ke3 2. Bf7 Kd4 3. Bh5 Ke3 4. Bg4 Bd3 5. Bd5 Be4 6.
>Bc4
>12   00:00  4.16   1. e8=B Ke3 2. Bf7 Kd4 3. Bh5 Ke3 4. Kg1 Bd3 5. Bhf3 Kf4 6.
>Bcd5 Kg5
>13   00:01  4.19   1. e8=B Ke3 2. Bh5 Bd3 3. Bhf3 Bf1 4. Kg1 Bc4 5. Bfe4 Bd3 6.
>Bf3 Bc4 <HT>
>14   00:01  4.19   1. e8=B Ke3 2. Bh5 Bd3 3. Bhf3 Bf1 4. Kg1 Bc4 5. Bd7 Bd3 6.
>Bdc6 Bc4 <HT>
>15   00:02  4.19   1. e8=B Ke3 2. Bh5 Bd3 3. Bhf3 Bf1 4. Kg1 Bc4 5. Bd7 Bd3 6.
>Bdc6 Bc4 <HT>
>16   00:05  4.17   1. e8=B Ke3 2. Bh5 Bd3 3. Bhf3 Bf1 4. Kg1 Bc4 5. Ba8 Bd3 6.
>Bfd5 Kf4 7. Bac6 Kg4 8. Be6+ <HT>
>17   00:13  4.18   1. e8=B Bc4 2. Bb5 Bd5 3. Bec6 Ba2 4. Be4 Ke3 5. Bbc6 Bc4 6.
>Bf3 Kd2 7. Kg1 Ke3 8. Bb7 Bd3 9. Kh1 Kf4 <HT>
>18   00:21  4.18   1. e8=B Bc4 2. Bb5 Bd5 3. Bec6 Ba2 4. Be4 Ke3 5. Bbc6 Bc4 6.
>Bf3 Kd2 7. Kg1 Ke3 <HT>
>19   00:37  4.18   1. e8=B Bc4 2. Bb5 Bd5 3. Bec6 Ba2 4. Be4 Ke3 5. Bbc6 Bc4 6.
>Bf3 Bf1 7. Kg1 <HT>
>20   02:08  4.18   1. e8=B Bd3 2. Bb5 Bb1 3. Bec6 Ba2 4. Be4 Bb3 5. Be8 Ke3 <HT>
>21   02:20  4.19   1. e8=B Bd3 2. Bb5 Bb1 3. Bec6 Ba2 4. Be4 Bb3 5. Bbc6 Ke3 6.
>Bcd5 Bxd5 7. Bxd5 Ke2 8. Kg1 Ke1 9. Bf3 Kd2 10. Bg4 Kd3 11. Bh5 Ke3 12. Bf7 <HT>
>
>Totally weird. Uri makes the point that these positions are artificial and
>hardly ever come up in games. Many endgame study books make the opposite claim
>and surmise that more endings require "study-like finishes" then what we
>normally suppose. I like to use engines for all sorts of analysis, not just for
>games and I would trust them more if they were "good" in all situations, however
> outlandish, although I do understand the programmers practical bent. I'm
>something of a purist and dabble in all sorts of studies, mates, games, etc.
>Yace seems to be one of the select few here.
>
>It's odd that your machine sees the right idea fairly quickly and much earlier.
>Your PC is faster, but mine should get there eventually. I wonder if TBs are
>making the difference.
>
>Jim
>
>
>>
>>Jim,
>>
>>I just sent you my modified crafty to try this position on...
>>
>>best,
>>
>>Michael

Quick question, how are you starting the analsysis - because the crafty I just
sent you does not consider e8/B on my machine.   Also, what is in your crafty.rc
file?
This the version I just sent you running under winboard on my machine.


Crafty19.08 SE  UCI 2 MB:
 8   00:00  3.81   1.e8N Ke3 2.Nd6 Kf4 3.Kg1 Bd3 4.Bd5 Kg4
 9   00:00  3.81   1.e8N Ke3 2.Kg1 Bd3 3.Nf6 Be2 4.Ne4 Kf4 5.Nd6
10   00:00  3.83   1.e8N Ke3 2.Nf6 Bc4 3.Kg1 Kf4 4.Nh5+ Kg4 5.Bf3+ Kh4 6.Nf6 Kg5
11   00:00  3.87   1.e8N Be2 2.Nf6 Ke3 3.Nd5+ Kd4 4.Nf4 Bd1 5.Kg1 Ke5 6.Nd3+ Ke6
7.Nc5+ Kf5
12   00:00  3.82   1.e8N Be2 2.Nd6 Ke3 3.Bd7 Kf4 4.Bb5 Bg4 5.Bd3 Ke3 6.Be4 Be2
13   00:00  3.77   1.e8N Be2 2.Nd6 Ke3 3.Ne4 Kf4 4.Bd5 Bd3 5.Nc5 Bf5 6.Kg1 Kg5
7.Kf1
14   00:01  3.80   1.e8N Be2 2.Nf6 Ke3 3.Nd5+ Kd4 4.Nf4 Bd1 5.Be8 Ke3 6.Nh5 Kf2
7.Nf6 Ke3 8.Bc6
15   00:02  3.81   1.e8N Be2 2.Nf6 Ke3 3.Nd5+ Kd4 4.Nf4 Bd1 5.Kg1 Ke5 6.Nd3+ Kf5
7.Nc5 Be2 8.Bd5 Kf4
16   00:04  3.81   1.e8N Be2 2.Nf6 Ke3 3.Kg1 Kf4 4.Nd5+ Kg5 5.Nc3 Bd3 6.Be4 Bc4
7.Bd5 Bd3 8.Ne4+ Kf4 9.Nc5 Be2
17   00:06  3.91   1.e8N Be2 2.Nf6 Ke3 3.Nd5+ Kd4 4.Kg1 Bd1 5.Kf1 Ke5 6.Nc3 Bb3
7.Bb5 Kf4 8.Ne2+ Kg4 9.Bd7+ Kh4 10.Bf5 Bd5
18   00:11  3.91   1.e8N Be2 2.Nf6 Ke3 3.Nd5+ Kd4 4.Kg1 Bd1 5.Kf1 Ke5 6.Nc3 Bb3
7.Ke2 Kf4 8.Nd5+ Kg4 9.Nf6+ Kg5 10.Ne4+ Kf4 11.Nd6 Bc2






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