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Subject: Re: do all programs see this draw here....

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:35:26 12/27/03

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On December 27, 2003 at 11:51:52, Brian Katz wrote:

>On December 27, 2003 at 07:51:59, Richard Pijl wrote:
>
>>On December 27, 2003 at 06:29:39, Brian Katz wrote:
>>
>>>On December 27, 2003 at 00:51:11, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>[d]8/r7/8/5bk1/8/5B2/5RPP/6K1 b - - 0 1
>>
>>>I am assuming you are referring to this position without the use of Tablebases,
>>>since with Tablebases this position is a forced draw, as we all know.
>>
>>For The Baron there is no significant difference with of without (5 men)
>>tablebases. Instant draw eval here.
>>Richard
>
>It is a shame that without Tablebases, the Great Fritz 8 cannot see that it
>should be =(0.00) What is also suprising to me is the fact that Shredder 6 had
>trouble realizing this as well. I was always under the impression that Shredder
>6 was regarded as very good in the endgame.
>
>Brian

For a test, try removing one pawn and see what it thinks.  Many older engines
would correctly find B+RP was a draw, but not if there were _two_ rook pawns.
IE Crafty will find the draw if the entire file is full of pawns if the king
is at h8. :)




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