Author: Uri Blass
Date: 13:25:06 12/28/03
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On December 28, 2003 at 15:58:40, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On December 27, 2003 at 14:05:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On December 27, 2003 at 12:36:32, Mridul Muralidharan wrote: >> >>>On December 27, 2003 at 09:04:05, Sune Fischer wrote: >>> >>>>On December 27, 2003 at 04:58:51, Mridul Muralidharan wrote: >>>> >>>>>4) Even with a 1:10 or 1:8 advantage crafty only barely manages to catch up or >>>>>beat these top order programs - so not much of a chance if they show up with the >>>>>above mentioned machines. >>>> >>>>I believe you are jumping to conclusions with "not much of a chance.." :) >>>> >>>>Crafty seems to be more than just barely holding on, it seems to be winning >>>>these matches at 8-10x speed advantage. >>>>That would mean Crafty still has chances even with "only" a 4x speed advantage. >>>> >>>>I'm not saying it would be a favorite but it's enough of a lottery to say that >>>>there are chances, and who knows what kind of hardware Bob could get his hands >>>>on ;) >>>> >>>>-S. >>>>>Mridul >>> >>>True - a good opening line which is favourale to crafty - and it could win even >>>with a 1 : 2 disadvantage :) >>>But it should be a good line - and this is like a jackpot - we cant count on >>>this ;) >>>On a even position - with lots of possibilities (not one of those dead drawn >>>boring opening lines) - it would be tougher. >>>If 1:8 just barely helps - then 1:4 is going to be a real challenge - also note >>>- it is going to be lower than 1:4 - not even 1:4 >>> >>>Mridul >> >>That's wrong. Pick your current box. I can _certainly_ find something that >>will be 4x faster than any box that showed up at the WCCC this year. And that > >But nothing where crafty runs at, so i laugh loud for this! > >You cry some about a few minute tests you were allowed to do at a 32 processor >shared memory bus Alpha. Show the logs, no one is believing you here! > >Note the crafty-junior match, i score at home 95% against junior in tests equal >hardware, you have problems getting 50% against an outdated PII. I do not believe that you score at home 95% at equal hardware. You even never proved that you can score even 50% against Crafty on equal hardware. I do not see Diep in the ssdf list. If you can get even 70% against Junior8 and other programs of the same level then I suggest that you prove it in the ssdf games. It may be possible with a lot of time to prepare some killer book against something that has a known book(you simply play against a copy of the program and even if you win only 100 games out of 1000 you can add the opening of the 100 games that you won into your book) but Crafty did not win by this method. Diep lost against the top programs in the world champpionship because of your evaluation bugs and not because of a bad book. > >However when they show up at world champs they use quite a better book... ...try >to beat that i'd say! > >So show up at world champs instead of spitting all this crap here. Everyone i >knows wins from other programs when they test at home. Not everyone. Did GreenLight win from other programs when the programmer tested at home? Did Falcon win from other programs when the programmer tested at home(it did good results but it is clear that his results were not when he gave the opponents the hardware advantage that they have in WCCC). I do not know if Crafty could appear with 10:1 hardware advantage but with that advantage I do not see a proof that it is not competitive. The only claim that you can make is that the time control is not slow enough and people should use slower time control to have better simulation of what could happen in WCCC. Uri
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