Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:47:38 12/28/03
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On December 28, 2003 at 22:06:59, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >On December 28, 2003 at 19:58:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On December 28, 2003 at 16:48:55, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On December 27, 2003 at 11:58:58, Slater Wold wrote: >>> >>>It's not clear who is +5 here, >>> >>>but whatever the side that is +5, let's consider >>> >>> a) hardware dated 1996/1997 >>> >>>playing hardware dated 2002/2003 >>> >>> b) a public book used for junior >>> >>>this where everyone knows the junior style is unique and requires certain >>>positions to get a full point. >>> >>> c) everyone testing at home junior is completely killing it with their >>>tournament books and newer versions. Even falcon scores 60%. Diep 95% (one >>>draw). Others reported similar % at home against it. Crafty gets about 50% >>>against the public version having a 10 times hardware advantage against a >>>crippled junior as it doesn't get through the tactical barrier. >>> >>>So let's first consider that at world champs >>> a) crafty gets killed in book >>> b) it is equal hardware, despite all BS stories he tells here it >>> won't work in 2005 either at those supercomputers of course >>> c) junior gets above the tactical barrier >>> >>>End of crafty. >>> >>>And *that's* why Bob doesn't show up at world champs, whatever nonsense he tells >>>here. Everyone who has a chance to win there will show up! >> >>Then should we not ask "Why do _you_ bother showing up?" You clearly >>don't have a chance of winning. Based on lots of past tournaments. >> >>So I suppose I _completely_ fail to understand your point, assuming you >>actually _have_ a point beside just knocking a program you can't beat... > >I have to more or less agree with Vincent here. The simple fact of the matter >is that every circumstance was stacked in Crafty's favor, and it barely won. > >If > >10x speed difference + Opponent runs at 40/5 min + public book = barely winning > >then > >4x speed difference + Opponent runs at 40/2 hrs + private book = crafty crushed > >anthony Let's try the math again. It beat rebel 12 handily at 8-1. It barely beat junior at 10:1. It beat shredder 6-4 at 8:1. Hiarcs is "in progress". If you slow crafty down by 1/2, it would _not_ get "crushed". We can easily test that hypothesis however. A factor of two does not go from "winning" to "getting crushed". The "circumstances" were not exactly in Crafty's favor either. I don't use that wide ICC book for tournaments. I don't play those opentings for tournaments. The commercial programs come with a very good default book, that has been hand-customized by a professional book writer. My book is just a collection of games combined into a big book. The matches were played with book learning off, which further hurts a pretty randomly-created book more than it does a hand-crafted book. But the point was, and still is, Crafty _would_ have been competitive in the 2003 WCCC event. There has _never_ been a claim by me that I would win. I would _certainly_ have chances to win. I've won CCT events with commercial programs present and accounted for. Vincent had already declared himself the winner of the WCCC due to his hardware. I _know_ better than to make such stupid claims... I've been around _way_ too long.
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