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Subject: Re: BFF Rating List: 2 Thoughts

Author: Chessfun

Date: 13:56:18 12/29/03

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On December 29, 2003 at 16:18:20, Mike Hood wrote:

>Take a look at the end-of-year Best-for-Fritz rating list, for engines running
>in the Fritz GUI, at
>http://www.beepworld.de/members39/computerschach2/bff-liste.htm
>
>I have two "doubts" about the list:
>
>1) At the bottom of the list is the Chessbase native engine Turing, with a
>rating of 1572. This seems horribly inflated to me. My own "official" rating,
>based on my league games, is 1430. I played a series of games against Turing and
>won 8-0, no draws. My personal estimate for Turing is between 1000 and 1200. If
>you can't trust the Elo values at the bottom of the list, how can you trust the
>values at the top of the list? Maybe the arbitrary start value of 2600 was too
>high. If a start value of 2400, or even 2200, had been used, a more meaningful
>rating list would have been achieved.


Even were another number chosen as the start value the relative position of them
to each other would remain. I am curious as to why they use the word's ELO on
any list as to me that always associates with human play, as opposed to a list
of programs.


>2) In 21st place there is a native Chessbase engine called List 5.12. This is
>neither a commercial engine, nor a free engine, so is it a secret engine that
>somebody has slipped to CSS "under the hand"? Is it the engine that was
>disqualified at the recent computer chess tournament in Graz? Based on the
>replies to my previous question in this forum, nobody knows where it's come
>from, so it doesn't deserve to be included in the rating list.


It could be a beta version. There are enough "X" on the list 14, 31, 33, 42, 47,
57, 62, 67, 77, 102 that I'd personally be more interested in those especially
14.. I don't see how "X" should be included if you want to remove List 5.12. and
find it odd you would mention List without mentioning "X". There is even a
Gandalf X 4-03 in 32.

Personally I don't see the point in listing any beta versions on any rating list
in this case that would include all the above.

Sarah.




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