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Subject: Re: The King's News Clothes (Re: DB vs)

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:19:24 11/24/98

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On November 24, 1998 at 20:28:50, Quenton Fyfe wrote:

>Afraid I can't reproduce this either.  > 6.5 hours on a P6 200, and CM5000 is
>still planning Qb6.  That's >500m positions examined.  So unless there were
>special settings involved (CM5K is quite configurable) then it's no go.
>
>I've also run Fritz for about 36 hours on the same hardware, and it wanted to
>play Qb6 too.
>
>Bob - can we work out from the Deep Blue node rate the maximum time it should
>take on with brute force search to find out what's wrong with Qb6?  I guess it'd
>be weeks huh?
>
>Cheers
>
>Quenton Fyfe


It is difficult to do.  IE take the nolot positions and try them on all the
programs.  You will find one program that gets one particular position quicker
than all the others, yet it gets killed on the other positions.  CM5xxx is a
good example... it finds lots of good tactical shots that take otherprograms
minutes or hours to find.  That's why it isn't easy to figure out how deep we
have to search...  The main programs searching on Qb6/axb5 are/were mine,
Bruce's and Ernst's...  and all are null-move programs.  It is possible that
this is a null-move killer position as we have seen in the past.  and if you
have followed null-move "problems" there are some positions a null-move search
won't *ever* solve...



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