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Subject: Re: Is the queen sac sound?

Author: Steven J. Brann

Date: 21:18:22 12/29/03

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On December 29, 2003 at 21:35:19, John Merlino wrote:

>On December 29, 2003 at 20:44:06, Sune Fischer wrote:
>
>>[D]8/6pk/4Q2p/3P1P1q/8/6P1/4rP2/2R3K1 w - - 0 56
>>
>>In the actual game Frenzee played d6!? and went on to win.
>>
>>In post mortem analysis it switches to Re1 with a bit more time, still
>>sacrificing the queen.
>>
>>I've been playing a little bit with the eval scores for passed pawns
>>and not surprisingly the position is very sensitive to these changes.
>>
>>Any other engines who wants to sacrifice the queen here, is it sound
>>or a lucky punch?
>>
>>-S.
>
>Chessmaster 9000, default personality on a P4-2.4, waffles quite a bit on the
>position. And it does, between 1:03 and 1:41, select Re1. At 2:29, it finally
>sees d6 and sticks with it:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/7	1.66	89140		56.Qd7 Qf3 57.Rf1 Re5 58.d6 Rd5
>					59.Re1 Rxf5
>0:00	1/8	1.37	157219		56.Qd7 Qf3 57.Rf1 Re5 58.d6 Rxf5
>					59.Qc8 Rh5 60.Qc2+ Kg8
>0:02	2/9	1.17	508475		56.Qd7 Qf3 57.Rf1 Re5 58.f6 Qxf6
>					59.Qb5 Qf5 60.Rd1 Qc2 61.Rd4 Re7
>0:04	2/9	1.26	912577		56.Qb6 Qxf5 57.Qd4 Re4 58.Qd2 Re5
>					59.d6 Rd5 60.Qb4 Kg6
>0:09	3/10	1.00	1984480		56.Qb6 Rd2 57.Qa5 Qe2 58.Qc5 Qe5
>					59.Qb6 Qxf5 60.d6 Qg6 61.Rc6 Qf6
>0:11	3/10	1.19	2436013		56.Qd7 Qf3 57.Rf1 Re5 58.f6 Qxf6
>					59.Qb5 Qf5 60.Rd1 Qf3 61.Qb1+ Rf5
>					62.Qc2
>0:19	4/11	0.85	4483919		56.Qd7 Qf3 57.Qa7 Rd2 58.Qe3 Qxd5
>					59.Qe6 Qxe6 60.fxe6 Re2 61.Rc6
>					Kg6 62.Kf1
>0:23	4/11	0.93	5484487		56.Qb6 Rd2 57.Qb1 Rxd5 58.f6+ Qf5
>					59.Qxf5+ Rxf5 60.fxg7 Rf7 61.f4
>					Kxg7 62.Kf2 h5 63.Ke3
>0:45	5/12	0.94	10615245	56.Qb6 Rd2 57.Qb1 Rxd5 58.f6+ Qf5
>					59.Qxf5+ Rxf5 60.fxg7 Rf7 61.Rc4
>					Rxg7 62.Rf4 Rd7 63.Kg2 Kg6
>1:03	5/12	1.82	15249674	56.Re1 Rxe6 57.fxe6 Kg8 58.d6 Kf8
>					59.Rc1 g6 60.e7+ Kf7 61.Re1 Qb5
>					62.e8=Q+ Qxe8 63.Rxe8 Kxe8 64.Kg2
>					Kd7
>1:09	6/13	0.60	17011768	56.Re1 Rxe6 57.fxe6 Kg8 58.d6 Kf8
>					59.Rc1 g6 60.Rc8+ Kg7 61.d7 Qd1+
>					62.Kh2 Qh5+ 63.Kg2 Qd5+ 64.f3 Qa2+
>					65.Kg1 Qa1+ 66.Kh2 Qa2+ 67.Kh1
>1:41	6/13	0.96	24543465	56.Qb6 Rd2 57.Qb1 Rxd5 58.f6+ Qf5
>					59.fxg7 Qxb1 60.Rxb1 Kxg7 61.Rb7+
>					Kf6 62.Rb6+ Kg7 63.f4 h5 64.Kf2
>					Kf7 65.Rb7+ Ke6
>2:29	6/13	2.78	37513299	56.d6 Rxe6 57.fxe6 Qg5 58.Rf1 Qe5
>					59.e7 h5 60.Rd1 Qe2 61.Rd4 Qe1+
>					62.Kg2 h4 63.d7 h3+ 64.Kxh3 Qe6+
>					65.Kg2
>3:02	7/14	3.01	46466620	56.d6 Rxe6 57.fxe6 Qg5 58.Rf1 Qe5
>					59.e7 h5 60.Rd1 Qe2 61.Rd4 h4 62.d7
>					Qe1+ 63.Kg2 h3+ 64.Kxh3 Qe6+ 65.Kh2
>					Qh6+ 66.Kg2
>
>The hard part is, of course, seeing that White will be a rook ahead after 18
>plies.
>
>jm


CM9K default personality on a P4 3.0G machine has a definitive result for Re1
when SS=16.


Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	1.23	1500		56.Qc8 Qf3 57.Qc5 Qxf5
0:00	1/3	1.71	2524		56.Qa6 Rd2 57.Qa5 Qe2
0:00	1/4	1.72	4457		56.Qa6 Rd2 57.Qa5 Qe2 58.Qc5
0:00	1/5	1.33	11231		56.Qa6 Rd2 57.Qa5 Rd3 58.Re1 Qxf5
0:00	1/5	1.70	15621		56.Qd7 Qf3 57.Rf1 Re5 58.d6 Qxf5
					59.Qc7
0:00	1/6	1.63	26909		56.Qd7 Qf3 57.Rf1 Re5 58.d6 Qxf5
					59.Qxf5+ Rxf5 60.Rd1 Kg6
0:00	1/7	1.66	88298		56.Qd7 Qf3 57.Rf1 Re5 58.d6 Rd5
					59.Re1 Rxf5
0:00	1/8	1.37	154881		56.Qd7 Qf3 57.Rf1 Re5 58.d6 Rxf5
					59.Qc8 Rh5 60.Qc2+ Kg8
0:01	1/9	1.17	494611		56.Qd7 Qf3 57.Rf1 Re5 58.f6 Qxf6
					59.Qb5 Qf5 60.Rd1 Qc2 61.Rd4 Re7
0:03	1/9	1.26	907124		56.Qb6 Qxf5 57.Qd4 Re4 58.Qd2 Re5
					59.d6 Rd5 60.Qb4 Kg6
0:06	1/10	1.02	1779267		56.Qb6 Rd2 57.Qa5 Qg5 58.Kf1 Rxd5
					59.Qxd5 Qxc1+ 60.Kg2 Qb2 61.Qe4 Qf6
0:07	1/10	1.19	2110233		56.Qd7 Qf3 57.Rf1 Re5 58.f6 Qxf6
					59.Qb5 Qf5 60.Rd1 Qf3 61.Qb1+ Rf5
					62.Qc2
0:12	1/11	0.85	3542978		56.Qd7 Qf3 57.Qa7 Rd2 58.Qe3 Qxd5
					59.Qe6 Qxe6 60.fxe6 Re2 61.Rc6
					Kg6 62.Kf1
0:14	1/11	0.93	4387315		56.Qb6 Rd2 57.Qb1 Rxd5 58.f6+ Qf5
					59.Qxf5+ Rxf5 60.fxg7 Rf7 61.f4
					Kxg7 62.Kf2 h5 63.Ke3
0:24	1/12	0.94	7350112		56.Qb6 Rd2 57.Qb1 Rxd5 58.f6+ Qf5
					59.Qxf5+ Rxf5 60.fxg7 Rf7 61.Rc4
					Rxg7 62.Rf4 Rd7 63.Kg2 Kg6
0:41	1/13	0.94	12754005	56.Qb6 Rd2 57.Qb1 Rxd5 58.f6+ Qf5
					59.Qxf5+ Rxf5 60.fxg7 Kxg7 61.Rc7+
					Kf6 62.Rc6+ Kg7 63.f4 h5 64.Kf2
					Rf7 65.Ke3
1:38	1/13	4.17	30087720	56.Re1 Rxe6 57.fxe6 Kg8 58.d6 Kf8
					59.Rb1 Qe8 60.d7 Qd8 61.Rc1 Ke7
					62.Rc8 g6 63.Rxd8 Kxd8
2:38	1/14	4.39	48968315	56.Re1 Rxe6 57.fxe6 Kg8 58.d6 Qa5
					59.Rb1 Qa8 60.d7 Kf8 61.Rc1 Qd8
					62.Rc8 Ke7 63.Rxd8 Kxd8 64.Kg2
					Ke7 65.Kf3
4:11	1/15	4.64	78736292	56.Re1 Rxe6 57.fxe6 Kg8 58.d6 Qa5
					59.Rb1 Qa8 60.d7 Kf8 61.Rc1 Qd8
					62.Rc8 Ke7 63.Rxd8 Kxd8 64.Kg2
					Ke7 65.Kf3 g6 66.Ke4

Steve




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