Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: This sendgame should be looked at and is worthy of some study.

Author: Brian Katz

Date: 13:56:22 12/30/03

Go up one level in this thread


On December 30, 2003 at 16:13:25, Brian Katz wrote:

>Black to move and win ?? Yes !!
>
>[D]8/5p2/1kp5/p1p5/P1PpKPPp/1P5P/8/8 b
>
>The above position was derived from a real skittles game I had. I was Black and
>the King was on g7 and the f-pawn was on f6 as shown below:
>
>[D]8/6k1/2p2p2/p1p5/P1PpKPPp/1P5P/8/8 b
>
>White had just blundered with King from d3 to e4 1.Ke4??...From that position
>the win for Black is quite easy. White made it very easy for Black with:
>1.Ke4 f5+!!2.gf Kf6 3.Kf3 Kxf5 4.Kf2 Kxf4 and Black wins easily. The King cannot
>take the f5 pawn because the Black d pawn will promote. If the White King
>retreats to f3, ...fxg4+ wins, because ...Kc7 and Black gets to the queening
>square in time, and Black's d pawn always threatens to advance. And lastly, if
>white's h-pawn takes on g4 then Black will have a passed h4 pawn and a passed d3
>pawn, and the White King cannot stop both.
> I was so fascinated with that position, that I wanted to see just how far away
>the Black King could be and still secure the win. The position is very
>deceiving. It appears at first that the Black King is out of the game and should
>lose or at least draw. But winning for Black ?? I showed this position to quite
>a few masters, and all did not realize that Black is winning. I even showed this
>position to Grandmaster Lev Alburt at the US Amateur Team East, 2 years ago, and
>he did not realize it either. Nor did GM Arthur Bisguier.
>
>The same motifs apply to the first position above. See how your programs
>evaluate this position. Some find it easily and some take much longer.
>The winning line results in both sides Queening. That is the analysis of Fritz8.
>Actually, Fritz 8 has White Queening first, but Black Queen' immediately after
>that with extra pawns that win.
>Enjoy
>Brian
>Happy New Year !!



This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.