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Subject: Re: Please look at this endgame. You will be amazed.

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 16:10:37 12/30/03

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On December 30, 2003 at 17:28:28, Brian Katz wrote:

>Black to move and win ?? Yes !!
>>>
>>>[D]8/5p2/1kp5/p1p5/P1PpKPPp/1P5P/8/8 b
>>>
>>>The above position was derived from a real skittles game I had. I was Black and
>>>the King was on g7 and the f-pawn was on f6 as shown below:
>>>
>>>[D]8/6k1/2p2p2/p1p5/P1PpKPPp/1P5P/8/8 b
>>>
>>>White had just blundered with King from d3 to e4 1.Ke4??...From that position
>>>the win for Black is quite easy. White made it very easy for Black with:
>>>1.Ke4 f5+!!2.gf Kf6 3.Kf3 Kxf5 4.Kf2 Kxf4 and Black wins easily. The King cannot
>>>take the f5 pawn because the Black d pawn will promote. If the White King
>>>retreats to f3, ...fxg4+ wins, because ...Kc7 and Black gets to the queening
>>>square in time, and Black's d pawn always threatens to advance. And lastly, if
>>>white's h-pawn takes on g4 then Black will have a passed h4 pawn and a passed d3
>>>pawn, and the White King cannot stop both.
>>> I was so fascinated with that position, that I wanted to see just how far away
>>>the Black King could be and still secure the win. The position is very
>>>deceiving. It appears at first that the Black King is out of the game and should
>>>lose or at least draw. But winning for Black ?? I showed this position to quite
>>>a few masters, and all did not realize that Black is winning. I even showed this
>>>position to Grandmaster Lev Alburt at the US Amateur Team East, 2 years ago, and
>>>he did not realize it either. Nor did GM Arthur Bisguier.
>>>
>>>The same motifs apply to the first position above. See how your programs
>>>evaluate this position. Some find it easily and some take much longer.
>>>The winning line results in both sides Queening. That is the analysis of Fritz8.
>>>Actually, Fritz 8 has White Queening first, but Black Queen' immediately after
>>>that with extra pawns that win.
>>>Enjoy
>>>Brian
>>>Happy New Year !!

It doesn't take too long for Crafty  19.08 SE to see the best move f5 -- but it
would take  awhile to see a winning +4 score....

Amazingly, even if you take the same position and change side to move, white
still does not have a win.

Thanks for posting.



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