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Subject: Re: Practical lesson for statistics

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:19:40 12/31/03

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On December 31, 2003 at 17:34:03, Sune Fischer wrote:

>On December 31, 2003 at 14:47:28, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On December 31, 2003 at 12:25:11, Tord Romstad wrote:
>>
>>>On December 30, 2003 at 13:59:22, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>SOS as we can see from your rating list is estimated by you at 2253 this is
>>>>wrong it *always* wins from crafty.
>>>
>>>Are you sure about this?  I have never seen SOS play against Crafty, but what
>>>you write above still seems rather unlikely to me.  My own engine scores around
>>>45% against SOS (the version that ships with the latest versions of Arena), but
>>>only about 20% against Crafty.
>>>
>>>Tord
>>
>>SOS kills crafty completely let me assure you that.
>
>I've browsed around trying to prove your statement, I can't find anything
>anywhere to back it up.

Why on earth would you bother wasting the time?  Does anybody _ever_ find
anything to back up something he says?  Not that I have seen.  According to
Vincent, _all_ programs kill crafty.  His program kills _all_ programs.

Fortunately, we have tournaments where his word isn't good enough, and he
actually has to play games, which never back up his claims.  He then resorts
to producing more excuses than Carter makes "little pills".

>
>Some rating lists indicate Crafty is 50-100 points stronger, others show they
>are on par, no list anywhere I could find says SOS is a Crafty killer.
>
>I think SOS is a very strong engine, my impression is though that Crafty still
>holds an edge.
>
>Of course at home everybody kills Crafty completely, heck at home everybody
>kills Junior and Shredder too :)
>
>>You need a bugfree engine to kill crafty, that's all.
>
>It would be stating the obvious to say "that's not all you need".
>
>But anyway, if you know what it takes to kill Crafty, why don't you build an
>engine that can do it?
>
>And if you believe you already have an engine that can do it, why not make some
>attempt at convincing the rest of us?

Because that would be a bit of "real science" and you _know_ he isn't going
to do "real science"...

Somebody thinks they have a better program than mine, all I can offer is the
chance to play mine.  If they win, they win.  But at least they play the
games.  Not Vincent...


>
>>SOS is bugfree.
>
>Not sure, IIRC it had some funky mate scores on a position I tried,
>probably has been fixed now but is bugfree only until the next crash :)
>
>-S.



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