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Subject: Re: I disagree

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:27:38 12/31/03

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On December 31, 2003 at 13:57:34, Robin Smith wrote:

>On December 30, 2003 at 14:03:00, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On December 30, 2003 at 02:24:50, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>
>>>On December 30, 2003 at 01:07:08, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 29, 2003 at 13:43:18, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 29, 2003 at 13:23:33, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 29, 2003 at 12:46:47, Luis Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I do agree too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Crafty has no realistic chances to win a WCCC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sandro
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>IMO only Bob can know this for sure.  I think people either over estimate the
>>>>>>>commercials, or underestimate Crafty.  After all at the WCCC's only 11 games
>>>>>>>were played, who knows what could have happened in that time, especially with
>>>>>>>the kind of hardware that Dr. Hyatt could get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, Bob does not know this.
>>>>>>He is a "little outdated" on this matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At the 2003 WCCC there were 3 favorites (Shredder, Fritz and Junior), 2 possible
>>>>>>outsiders (Brutus and Diep).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Based on my experience I gave these chances, before the tournament started:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Shredder 35% (because of the slower hardware)
>>>>>>Fritz    30%
>>>>>>Junior   25%
>>>>>>Brutus    7%
>>>>>>Diep      3%
>>>>>>rest      0%
>>>>>
>>>>>I think that it is too risky to give 0% chances for all the rest when you do not
>>>>>know what the programmers did.
>>>>>
>>>>>How could you know that Deep Sjeng had no chances?
>>>>>After the tournament you know but not before it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Did you know details about other programs like Jonny before the tournament?
>>>>>
>>>>>How could you know that all the single processors are going to lose when you do
>>>>>not know what the programmers did and you cannot be sure that nobody did
>>>>>something clearly better than shredder.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can guess that it is the case based on previous experience but you cannot be
>>>>>sure and I think that it is better to give at least 2% chances for some
>>>>>surprise.
>>>>>
>>>>>I agree that the 5 that you mention were the favourites before the tournament
>>>>>but the chances of other to win should be evaluated as at least 2%.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I would not pay a lot of attention to his ramblings.  He completely overlooks
>>>>the fact that Shredder had a horrible bug,
>>>
>>>How could I know it?
>>>Since you think you are superior to everybody here...you saw it before the
>>>tournament?
>>
>>Please come to the table with your hat off.
>>
>>We are discussing things _after_ the tournament.  I _know_, beyond a shadow of
>>a doubt, that you had a horrible bug.  It was exhibited in the Jonny game for
>>_everyone_ to see.  If you will still claim that you had a "35% chance of
>>winning" then you are overlooking something _important_.
>>
>>So keep this discussion in context.  You might have said "before the event
>>I thought we had a 35% chance of winning, but after the event, and having
>>seen the horrible bug we had, I think our real chances were much lower."
>>
>>So _I_ am looking at everything that is known today.  And clearly the bug
>>is now public.
>
>Bob, if you are "looking at everything that is known today" then you would have
>to say that Shredders chance of winning is 100%, even if you disagree with how
>this came about.
>

Not based on the rules.  IE I can steal a million dollars, but I might not get
to keep it very long...

><snip>
>
>Robin



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