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Subject: Re: Do .. find mate in less than 80 moves? with 6 men EGTB

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 19:25:35 12/31/03

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I downloaded the KBBBKN just for fun :)

Hiarcs 9 announce mate in 71 in less than 1 sec

n5Kn/8/7k/B6n/8/2B5/2Bq4/4q3 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Hiarcs 9:

1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5
  ²  (0.63)   Profondeur: 1/7   00:00:00
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5
  ²  (0.63)   Profondeur: 2/8   00:00:00
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1
  ²  (0.63)   Profondeur: 3/8   00:00:00
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1
  +-  (2.83)   Profondeur: 4/9   00:00:00
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8 Rxf4
  +-  (3.46)   Profondeur: 4/11   00:00:00
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8 Rxf4
  +-  (4.83)   Profondeur: 5/11   00:00:00, tb=2
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8 Rxf4
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 5/11   00:00:00, tb=6
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 5/15   00:00:00  1kN, tb=6
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 6/17   00:00:00  4kN, tb=9
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 7/17   00:00:00  5kN, tb=9
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 8/17   00:00:00  5kN, tb=9
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 9/17   00:00:00  9kN, tb=9
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 10/17   00:00:00  19kN, tb=9
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 11/17   00:00:00  36kN, tb=12
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 12/19   00:00:00  83kN, tb=24
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 13/19   00:00:00  184kN, tb=34
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 14/23   00:00:01  335kN, tb=79
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 15/23   00:00:01  660kN, tb=124
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 16/27   00:00:03  1422kN, tb=344
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 17/29   00:00:05  2636kN, tb=872
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 18/31   00:00:09  5240kN, tb=2441
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 19/34   00:00:16  9773kN, tb=4711
1.Fxd2+ Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
  +-  (#71)   Profondeur: 20/35   00:00:47  23726kN, tb=27218


After 1.Bxb2+, the 3 best moves are :

n5Kn/8/7k/B6n/8/8/2BB4/4q3 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Hiarcs 9:

1. +- (#70): 1...Cf4 2.Fxf4+ Rh5 3.Fxe1 Rg4 4.Rxh8
2. +- (#67): 1...Dxd2 2.Fxd2+
3. +- (#16): 1...De3 2.Fxe3+


I hope we will have soon the KPPKPP and the KPPPKP files and many of long long
mate announcements !



On December 30, 2003 at 14:48:10, Brian Katz wrote:

>On December 30, 2003 at 14:27:01, Brian Katz wrote:
>
>>Do any programs out there find mate in less than 80 moves?
>>
>>The winning idea after winning black’s queens, is to corral the Knights, win two
>>of them, and then get into a K+B+B vs K+N  5 piece Tablebase endgame, which in
>>some positions, require at least 74 moves. Perhaps more.
>>If you don't have the 5 piece Tablebases, your program probably will not find
>>mate. You will need at least the 5 piece endgame mentioned above.
>>
>>You may need to set the Tablebase Depth to a setting of 0 rather than the
>>Default setting of 3.
>>
>>[D]n5Kn/8/7k/B6n/8/2B5/2Bq4/4q3 w
>>
>>Analysis by Fritz 8: Tablebase Depth set at 0.
>>Hardware: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 1 Gig DDR SDRAM
>>
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Kxh8 Nd5 5.Bb3 Ne7 6.Beg3
>>  +-  (7.22)   Depth: 7/12   00:00:00  18kN, tb=45
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Kxh8 Nd5 5.Bb3 Ne7 6.Beg3
>>  +-  (7.22)   Depth: 8/14   00:00:00  26kN, tb=46
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Kxh8 Nd5 5.Bb3 Ne7 6.Beg3
>>  +-  (7.22)   Depth: 9/16   00:00:00  42kN, tb=71
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Kxh8 Kg4 5.Be4 Nd5 6.Bxd5 Kxf4
>>  +-  (7.22)   Depth: 10/21   00:00:00  88kN, tb=220
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Kxh8 Kg4 5.Be4 Nc4 6.Beg3 Kh5 7.Kg7
>>  +-  (7.28)   Depth: 11/21   00:00:00  197kN, tb=529
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Kxh8 Kg4 5.Bf2 Nd5 6.Bb3 Nc3 7.Be6+ Kf3
>>8.Be5
>>  +-  (7.28)   Depth: 12/23   00:00:00  467kN, tb=1594
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Kxh8 Kg4 5.Bf2 Nd5 6.Be5 Kf3 7.Bfd4 Ne3
>>8.Bd3
>>  +-  (7.31)   Depth: 13/25   00:00:00  1018kN, tb=4800
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Kxh8 Kg4 5.Bf2 Nd5 6.Be5 Kf3 7.Bfd4 Ne7
>>8.Bd3 Nd5
>>  +-  (7.41)   Depth: 14/26   00:00:02  2134kN, tb=11604
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Kxh8 Kg4 5.Bf2 Nd5 6.Be5 Kf3 7.Bfd4 Nb4
>>8.Bf5 Nd5 9.Kg7
>>  +-  (7.44)   Depth: 15/29   00:00:04  4887kN, tb=31168
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Kxh8 Kg4 5.Bf2 Nd5 6.Be5 Kf3 7.Bfd4 Nb4
>>8.Bf5 Nd5 9.Kg7 Nf4
>>  +-  (7.50)   Depth: 16/29   00:00:09  10238kN, tb=72603
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Kxh8 Kg4 5.Bf2 Nc4 6.Be4 Nb2 7.Bd4 Nc4
>>8.Kg7
>>  +-  (7.56)   Depth: 17/32   00:00:25  26904kN, tb=234367
>>1.Bxd2+!
>>  +-  (7.84)   Depth: 18/33   00:00:34  36314kN, tb=355809
>>1.Bxd2+!
>>  +-  (8.13)   Depth: 18/35   00:00:54  57493kN, tb=596406
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Ba5 Nd7 5.Kxh8 Nc5 6.Bb6 Nd7 7.Kg7 Kg4
>>  +-  (8.16)   Depth: 18/35   00:01:02  66117kN, tb=688821
>>1.Bxd2+!
>>  +-  (8.44)   Depth: 19/37   00:01:09  73772kN, tb=767130
>>1.Bxd2+!
>>  +-  (8.72)   Depth: 19/37   00:01:10  74411kN, tb=798334
>>1.Bxd2+!
>>  +-  (9.28)   Depth: 19/37   00:01:12  76918kN, tb=865923
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Ba5 Nc4 5.Kxh8 Kg4 6.Bd1+ Kf5 7.Be2 Nb2
>>8.Bc1 Na4 9.Ba3 Ke4 10.Bd1
>>  +-  (9.59)   Depth: 19/40   00:02:17  156703kN, tb=1772123
>>1.Bxd2+!
>>  +-  (9.88)   Depth: 20/39   00:02:28  168406kN, tb=1892491
>>1.Bxd2+!
>>  +-  (10.16)   Depth: 20/39   00:02:30  171306kN, tb=1973122
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Ba5 Nc4 5.Kxh8 Kg4 6.Bac7 Kf3 7.Bc1 Ke2
>>  +-  (10.22)   Depth: 20/39   00:04:10  291849kN, tb=3152989
>>1.Bxd2+!
>>  +-  (10.50)   Depth: 21/37   00:04:33  317648kN, tb=3419102
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Kxh8 Kg4 5.Ba5 Nc4 6.Bac7 Kf3 7.Bc1 Ke2
>>8.Be4
>>  +-  (10.56)   Depth: 21/40   00:09:02  634177kN, tb=7029727
>>1.Bxd2+!
>>  +-  (10.84)   Depth: 22/39   00:09:45  683693kN, tb=7568689
>>1.Bxd2+!
>>  +-  (11.13)   Depth: 22/39   00:09:52  691043kN, tb=7790120
>>1.Bxd2+!
>>  +-  (11.69)   Depth: 22/39   00:09:53  692672kN, tb=7915129
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Kxh8 Kg4 5.Ba5 Nd7 6.Bd8
>>  +-  (#80)   Depth: 22/42   00:15:05  1096525kN, tb=12784411
>>1.Bxd2+ Nf4 2.Bxf4+ Kh5 3.Bxe1 Nb6 4.Kxh8 Kg4 5.Ba5 Nd7 6.Bd8
>>  +-  (#80)   Depth: 22/42   00:15:24  1119467kN, tb=12908527
>>
>>(Katz, Eatontown 30.12.2003)
>>
>>Brian
>
>In addition to the above analysis, if Black recpaptures on d2 with it's Queen on
>the Bishop checks on d2,
>with: 1.Bxd2+ Qxd2 2.Bxd2+ Nf4 3.Bxf4+ Kh5 4.Kxh8...,
>
>the K+B+B vs K+N endgame will be reached, with a mate in 67 to follow. The h8
>Knigth will hang, resulting in the 5 piece endgame mentioned, seeing that, Fritz
>8 prolongs mate by not recapturing on d2 with it's Queen.
>
>Brian



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