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Subject: Re: Analysis - A database or is the chess program enough?

Author: Robert Pawlak

Date: 19:23:16 01/01/04

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On January 01, 2004 at 18:58:52, Robin Smith wrote:

>On January 01, 2004 at 17:21:35, Alan Grotier wrote:
>
>>
>> Does a chess player rated around 1500 and playing mostly against chess
>>engines,need a chessbase "X" or a Chess Assistant "X"  etc to obtain the variety
>>of analysis features that seem to be offered by these databases or
>>does a standard chess engine such as Fritz 8 offer the same analysis features?
>>
>> I will not be competing seriously and just need to examine my own mostly lost
>>games.But want the best analysis features available at this time.
>>
>> Alain
>
>Hi Alain,
>
>For analysis such as you mention I think any one of the Chessbase programs,
>Fritz, Junior, Shredder, Hiarcs etc. should work very well. The databases don't
>have the same level of analysis features and cost more.
>
>Robin

Robin,

What you have said is simply not true. The analysis features of CA go far beyond
what is offered by Fritz and company. For instance, multiple positions can be
aanalyzed by an engine while other work is being conducted in the database. The
tree integration, and annotation features are also superior (for instance,
annotating a position of move in the tree with text, or being able to easily
designat arbitary trees to follow a specific game, open different trees at
once). I could go on in this vein, but you get my drift.

So to answer Alan's question, the analysis capabilities are better (at least in
CA). The main thing that CB buys him (over Fritz) is the ease of working with
multiple games and DBs at once.

As to whether Alan needs such a program is another question entirely. It all
depends on his motivation level. Programs like Fritz are really sufficient for
most people. But for those that are serious about game analysis, a database
offers many advantages like those enumerated above, to whit:
1. The ability to easily work with many databases and games at once (for
example, easily examine a master game that contains ideas that are relevant to
the game you are analyzing).
2. Organizing said games into multiple databases (you want to keep your
reference DB free of your own games, unless you are a titled player).
3. Searches across multiple databases at once.
4. Working with multiple trees at once - it can be valuable to look at tree
statistics for your own games, and those of your reference database.
5. With CA, all open databases, games, etc are remembered each time the program
is closed, so you can easily pick up where you left off.

The above is a very partial list, and just summarizes some of the things that
come to mind.

Fritz (and the like) simply don't work the way one naturally would. For
instance, if you were analyzing a game without a comp, you'd consult reference
books, etc. But you probably wouldn't close each book and put it back on the
shelf after you consulted it one time. This is what you do in Fritz, where you
can have only _one_ game and _one_ database open at a time. It's fine for casual
use, but not for serious study.

Yes, this is a mtter of convenience - it depends on what your time is worth.

My purpose is not to sell or tell Alan to buy (or not buy) a database. It is
simply to give him the facts.

Bob (www.chessassistance.com, www.chessreviews.com)



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