Author: Rick Rice
Date: 18:34:47 01/03/04
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Thanks! Ruffian 2.0 losing to Crafty!! Now, you got me truly confused. I think
SSDF is most reliable. Shredder tops the SSDF list and is World Champion too! No
contradiction there!
On January 03, 2004 at 21:29:13, Peter Skinner wrote:
>On January 03, 2004 at 20:53:39, Rick Rice wrote:
>
>>Person A posts a message saying Ruffian 2.0 is very dissapointing, with the
>>results to back it up. This is followed by a second post which basically says
>>that Ruffian 2.0 rocks with some results to back it up. Are these programs
>>really so time and hardware sensitive, so as to show varying results on
>>different CPUs/time controls?
>>
>>Ideal solution would be for SSDF to have one massive board with one CPU and
>>memory for each program (equal CPU and mem for all the progs on its list) and
>>some way to automate the play of these programs against each other..... on
>>different time controls such as regular, blitz etc. Just wishful thinking for
>>the future, but it would eliminate the multiple and varying results.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Rick
>
>Different setups, different time controls can contribute to a tournament's
>results.
>
>Ruffe(C) on FICS uses Ruffian 2.0 on a dual PII 300 (600Mhz), so I borrowed an
>older machine for a test last night (PIII 550Mhz). I played two 120 60 games vs
>Ruffe using Crafty 19.8, and Crafty easily won both games. See below:
>
>
>[Event "FICS rated standard game"]
>[Site "FICS, Fremont, California USA"]
>[Date "2004.01.03"]
>[Time "01:24:54"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "LilKikr"]
>[Black "ruffe"]
>[WhiteElo "2372"]
>[BlackElo "2361"]
>[TimeControl "7200+60"]
>[Mode "ICS"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>
>1. d4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. Nd2 c5 4. exd5 exd5 5. Ngf3 Nf6 6. Bb5+ Bd7 7. Bxd7+
>Nbxd7 8. O-O Be7 9. dxc5 Nxc5 10. Nd4 Qd7 11. N2f3 O-O 12. Ne5 Qc8 13. h3
>Bd6 14. Nd3 Re8 15. Be3 Qd7 16. Re1 Re7 17. Qf3 Nxd3 18. cxd3 Rae8 19. Rac1
>Bc7 20. Re2 Bb6 21. Rec2 Re5 22. b3 a6 23. a4 Kf8 24. Ra1 Qd6 25. Rcc1 Nd7 26.
>a5 Bc5 27. b4 Bxd4 28. Bxd4 R5e6 29. Rab1 Ne5 30. Qf4 Qd8 31. b5 Qxa5 32. bxa6
>bxa6 33. Rb7 Rf6 34. Qh4 Rh6 35. Qg3 Rhe6 36. Rcc7 Rg6 37. Qf4
>Rf6 38. Qc1 g5 39. Qxg5 Qxc7 40. Rxc7 Nf3+ 41. gxf3 Rg6 42. Qg3 Re1+ 43. Kg2
>Ke8 44. Rc5 Rxg3+ 45. fxg3 Rd1 46. Rxd5 Rxd3 47. Kf2 Rd2+ 48. Ke3 Rd1 49. Rh5
>Rg1 50. g4 Re1+ 51. Kd3 Rd1+ 52. Ke4 Re1+ 53. Kd5 a5 54. Rxh7 Re6 55. g5
>Rg6 56. Rh8+
>{Black resigns} 1-0
>
>
>[Event "FICS rated standard game"]
>[Site "FICS, Fremont, California USA"]
>[Date "2004.01.02"]
>[Time "21:12:06"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "ruffe"]
>[Black "LilKikr"]
>[WhiteElo "2369"]
>[BlackElo "2358"]
>[TimeControl "7200+60"]
>[Mode "ICS"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>
>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Bd6 5. O-O Nge7 6. c3 O-O 7. d4 Ng6 8. Be3
>exd4 9. cxd4 b5 10. Bc2 Bb7 11. Nc3 Re8 12. e5 Be7 13. Nd5 d6 14. Be4
>dxe5 15. dxe5 Bf8 16. Bg5 Qb8 17. Bxg6 hxg6 18. Rc1 Qc8 19. Bh4 Rb8 20. Re1
>Qg4 21. Re3 Nxe5 22. Nxe5 Qxh4 23. Nxc7 Red8 24. Nd7 Rbc8 25. Rd3 Be4 26. Rd4
>Qg5 27. g3 Bf3 28. Qf1 Qf5 29. Qd3 Be4 30. Qd1 Qh3 31. Qf1 Qxd7 32. Rxd7
>Rxd7 33. Nxb5 Rxc1 34. Qxc1 axb5 35. f4 Rd4 36. Qc3 Rc4 37. Qb3 Bc5+ 38. Kf1
>Bf5 39. Qf3 Rc1+ 40. Ke2 Rc2+ 41. Kd1 Rxb2 42. Qc3 Rb1+ 43. Ke2 Bf8 44. Kf3
>b4 45. Qe5 Rc1 46. h4 Rc3+ 47. Ke2 Rc2+ 48. Kd1 Rxa2 49. Qb8 Rg2 {White resigns}
>0-1
>
>I will be playing more games at this time control vs Ruffe as I do not yet have
>Ruffian 2.0 to do testing here. I do not believe the shorter blitz results that
>most post here give an accurate rating of a program's strength.
>
>I have a large database of games that I have played vs almost every program out
>there at longer time controls, and my results definately differ from some of the
>results posted here. Hiarcs 9 for me does extremely well, as does Crafty 19.8.
>Shredder 7.04 and Deep Fritz 8 don't do as well. By no means am I saying Crafty
>is better than Shredder, it just does better on my machines.
>
>Once I get Ruffian I will be playing it against all the programs I have, just as
>I have done with everything I own. In my testing the programs rank as follows:
>
>1. Hiarcs 9
>2. Junior 8
>3. Deep Junior 8
>4. Rebel 12
>5. Ruffian 1.0.5
>6. Shredder 7.04
>7. Deep Fritz 8
>8. Fritz 8
>9. Tiger 15.0
>10. Deep Sjeng 1.5
>
>As you can see my results are going to vary, but I _only_ play games 120 0 and
>longer.
>
>Peter.
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