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Subject: about rating system in Israel for humans(slightly off topic)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 01:53:47 01/04/04


I hesitated if to post it here or in the second forum but I think that pgn
analyzing programs have the potential to help for better rating system

In Israel the initial rating is today is 1350 and the minimal rating is
1300(there are players with rating 0 if they have experience in tournaments in
other countries but without international rating but this rating has no meaning
and they later get rating based on their performance)

people suggest to reduce these numbers.

The idea is now to have initial rating of 1200 for new players who are childs
who are younger than 10 and initial rating of 0 that has meaning of not having
rating for older players(They learned that the idea to give the same initial
rating for all players who never compete is bad only after experience with some
adults at level of 1800 or higher that simply trained a lot against computers
before they started to compete and got high level)


I do not think that the idea to give initial rating of 1200 to childs under 10
is good but the problem is that there are tournaments when all players play
their first tournament and we need to give these players rating(the situation
today that new players who never played in tournament get 1350 is even worse).

I think that for the purpose of tournaments when all players are new players it
may be logical to have some program that analyze pgn and give rating for weak
players.

I have ideas of recalculating the rating of old players and reduce the rating of
weak players(it is not logical to give new players 1200 when players with the
minimal rating of today (1300) do not go down) but for some reason people object
it and said that this is impudence to reduce rating for existing players.

I see rating as relative and I do not understand it.
I suggested even to add 10000 rating points to everyone if it is going to make
people feel better(the only reason that I do not like it is that I want to have
Israeli rating similiar to Fide rating in the relevant level but it is not very
important).

The idea to reduce the minimal rating and the initial rating of new players is
only in discussion and there is still no decision.
Unfortunately I am not in the committe who need to decide.

There are more absurds in the rating system.

For example a player who play 60 games against players that are 100 elo stronger
than him in 3 months and get 50% is going to get more than 100 elo improvement
because the games are calculated based on the old rating and he can get 3 elo
points for every game(the number of points that he get is dependent on his
rating and the time control of the game and the coefficient for players who
played less than 30 games is even higher but even I can get 3 elo for every draw
with a player that is 100 elo above me at 2 hours per game and if I play enough
games at 2 hour per game in 3 months I can get above my performance when my
performance is higher than my rating).

For some reason people were against my ideas to change it.

If you know hebrew then you can read about this subject in

http://www.chess.org.il/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3520

Uri



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