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Subject: Re: More about the Gothic Vortex Program, $10,000 challenge

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 08:07:03 01/05/04

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On January 04, 2004 at 00:43:30, Ed Trice wrote:

Hi Ed,

It was my intention to stop posting in the amateur forum,
but before you convert the amateur forum into a commercial event yours,
please let me post this:

  a) it is a bad idea to go play different forms of chess. the reason
     is trivial. a game can only get great when everybody is using the
     same rules
  b) for a price you *possibly* win of
     $10k i don't even *start programming* a new game.
  c) your engine will be beated of course hands down by any commercial
     programmer, but those commercial programmers know very well
     that the strength of chess is that a couple of hundreds of millions
     play that game. Just like why FRC will get nothing, the gothic chess
     will get nothing too. However additionally:
  d) gothic chess is your copyright/patent. That means that everyone will
     be paying royalties forever to you for the single user license they
     will sell each 100 years. So no commercial guy will ever start of course
     promoting your game and no freeware guy should either.
  e) basically gothic chess is bad taste because you stole the chess rules
     and created your own game out of it by making board a bit larger and
     adding 2 pieces and a pawn. I know another zillion ways to do that.
     Just create an indian queen (can do just 2 steps like the queen) and you
     have decachess (if that's not already a copyright someone else).
     Creating that would be still ok, but you claim it your own patent.
     Very bad taste IMHO.
  f) Because you are the only one earning on gothic chess, people even
     must ask a *license* from you to setup a league of gothic chess or
     whatever or make software for it, i consider all posts done on this
     subject here commercial posts. So please post all this nonsense
     in some forum that is not called Computer Chess.
  g) You have still a lot to learn about games in general seeing your
     material value discussion at your homepage.

So please stay on topic here and discuss computerchess,
Vincent

>Hi Reinhard,
>
>Sorry I did not see this post for some reason.
>
>>As you see, I am not experienced with such licences. So please explain were
>>details on that could be found. I will read them first, whether there would fees
>>to be paid for every potential user of a later gothic chess playing engine, so
>>that e.g. freeware engines will become impossible. I am completely unsure on
>>possible consequences derivating from your existing patent.
>>
>
>How about we arrange a license for the purpose of playing our programs against
>one another (and not for resale of your program for a period of one year after
>the first match?) The reason I mention this is because there are some cash prize
>events that we run on BrainKing.com occasionally, and I think the release of
>software may adversely effect it.
>
>If you want to sell your program on the market we can do a separate licensing
>agreement.
>
>>If it would be simply one dollar in total, please tell me, how to send you that
>>money using paypal.
>>
>
>First send me an email to GothicChessInfo@aol.com and we can discuss the
>details.
>
>--Ed



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