Author: Oreopoulos Kostas
Date: 13:38:18 01/07/04
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On January 07, 2004 at 14:12:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On January 07, 2004 at 13:28:32, Vincent Lejeune wrote: > >>On January 07, 2004 at 10:41:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On January 07, 2004 at 05:42:14, Oreopoulos Kostas wrote: >>> >>>>[D] 8/5k2/3p2pp/2pPp1p1/1pP3P1/4K3/1PB5/8 w - - 0 1 >>>> >>>>This is an endgame position that occured in one of my games. >>>>If white plays the correct move is Be4 blocking the e4 pawn and winning. >>>>On any other move just e4 with a draw. >>>> >>>>Is there any chess program that considers Be4 or e4 if it is black to move? >>>> >>>>The idea is to move the king to c6 but if the e5 square is empty the black king >>>>can walk in through e5. >>>> >>>>Tiger 15 does not find it >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>A question >>> >>>Black's h5 doesn't help, as white ignores it, and if black pushes to h4 creating >>>a protected passer on h4, the white bishop holds it back. After h5, gxh5 gives >>>black an entry so white doesn't want to do that, but if he doesn't, can not >>>black play hxg4 and now black has a king-side entry square if white tries to >>>walk to the queen-side? So I don't see how white is going to be able to leave >>>the kingside with the white g-pawn gone, as black can push its g-pawn, make >>>white sac the bishop for the first one, and then the second/third walk in. >>> >>>IE this looks drawn to me, without computer analysis. >>> >>>For example, you play Be4, I play h5. Now what do you do to win? >>> >>>I may be overlooking something simple, as I didn't spend a lot of time >>>looking, but it doesn't look promising to me... >> >>I analysed with hiarcs 9 and a friend (>2200) (yes i was the weakest part ;) ) >> >>And we found 1.Be4 h5 2.Bf3! and white wins > >I still don't see it after looking at it for 5 minutes now myself. > >1. Be4 h5 2. Bf3 h4. > >Now what? > >I see two plans. walk your king to queenside. I do the same. You pick off >g6 pawn. But how do you gain entry on queenside? If you try to enter through >e4-f5 my first cut says my king gets over there to prevent it. And, during all >the stuff you try, your bishop or king has to be able to get to h1 quick enough >to hold my pawn at h4. IE no more than 3 moves away at any point. > >It may well be winnable, but I don't see it myself. Perhaps an hour with >Crafty helping might show something... But no time for that until maybe >tonight. If i get the g6 pawn i get an entry to the king side. You cannot defend the f5 square. Just place the bishop to the e8 square. even with the passed pawn i can enter f5 take g5 adn get the bishop in time to catch the h pawn before the touch down. BUT i can get in the queenside. You cannot prevent that. Opposition is not enough i have a spare move with the bishop so i can get in You can do that ONLY if you get the king to a6 or b6. This is NOT possible. Just check it yourself
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