Author: Ralph E. Carter
Date: 17:55:06 11/26/98
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On November 26, 1998 at 20:09:54, Amir Ban wrote: >On November 26, 1998 at 17:44:11, Ralph E. Carter wrote: > >>Do not read the following if you don't like chess gossip. >>Others are off-topic continuously- here are my two cents. >> >>[My comments are in brackets.] >> >>CASE A: >> >>1) Mr. Vasquez said: >>>>>>I found that after overnight analysis (depth 19 and over) Junior 5.0 shows >>>>>>scrambled lines. >>[It is good and helpful to find bugs.] >> >>2) Mr. Ban said: >>>>>All the above is about how the line is displayed rather than about the line >>>>>itself. >>[The actual ANALYSIS is not scrambled, it is only a graphics problem.] >> >>3) Mr. KK said: >>>>...we have no reason to doubt you...the proof will be whether the problem shows up in Nimzo 99 as well. >>[Chess programmers sometimes make mistakes, let me investigate...] >> >>4) Mr. Ban said: >>>Korner, you assume I'm correct about what ? What is there to doubt here ? >>>You are not replacing Thorsten, are you ? >>[You seem to be calling me a liar. It is wrong to accuse me of lying without >>proof. You can be ejected from this club for that.] >> > >There's some paranoia going on here, so a clarification: > >You should read my question to KK literally: I was surprised by what he said, >because I was not aware of saying anything that requires trust. I'm not really >sure what he meant, but my three top guesses are: > >(1) I said I'm only involved with the engine, and not in the other stuff. >(2) I said the music problem has not been reported yet, so far as I know. >(3) I said the scrambled line is a display not an engine problem. > >I thought (1) is common knowledge. I can't prove (2) right now, but I don't >think it's important either. I thought (3) was evident from the description of >the problem, but maybe I was wrong there, so I'll explain why: > >The Junior engine transmits lines to the Junior5/Fritz5 shell in binary form in >from-square/to-square notation. If you understand that, you realize that it's >not possible for the engine to have a bug in who's to play, in which moves are >check, or in which piece moves, because that's not part of the information it >gives. I don't care whether this shows up on Nimzo99 or not, this is not an >engine bug. > >The object of all this, by the way, is not blame evasion, but sorting out who's >in a position to handle the complaint, a routine step in tech support. > > >>CASE B: >> >>1) Mr. Kasparov said: [The DB team cheated.] >>2) Mr. Ban said: [The burden of proof is on the DB team.] >> >>THE POINT: >>If you and others are going to perpetuate case B in this club, on and on, ad >>infinitum, I do not care to hear about your indignation about the insult you >>thought was made to YOU in case A. > >I was not expressing indignation, and was not asking for your sympathy. Yours is >the first post in this thread that I do find offensive. > >Amir By saying >>>Korner, you assume I'm correct about what ? What is there to doubt here ? >>>You are not replacing Thorsten, are you ? I thought you were thinking that someone doubted YOU. And for a moment I was angry that someone who participates in case B2 should claim the right to not be slandered. Since this is off-topic, I will close here. I have Junior 5, and it is super. Thank you.
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