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Subject: Re: Test Position - Patzer 3.11 (3 seconds)

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:48:23 01/08/04

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On January 08, 2004 at 07:31:10, Mike Hood wrote:

>On January 07, 2004 at 10:44:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 07, 2004 at 05:26:58, Mike Hood wrote:
>>
>>>On January 07, 2004 at 00:20:17, K. Burcham wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Steve Maughan, big book of combinations
>>>>
>>>>Tibensky - Franzen
>>>>Find Kh6
>>>> [D] 1r3rk1/b1pR1p2/p3p1p1/2q1P1Kp/P1N2P2/1P1Q2P1/7P/3R4 w - -
>>>
>>>This is on my humble Pentium III-733. Patzer was the first engine I tried,
>>>because it seems to be skilful at finding the right move in closed positions.
>>>
>>>Analysis by Patzer 3.11:
>>>
>>>1.Qxg6+
>>>  -+  (-10.00)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
>>>1.Qf3
>>>  ²  (0.42)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
>>>1.Qf3 Bb6
>>>  µ  (-0.98)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>>>1.Qf3
>>>  µ  (-0.96)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>>>1.Kh4
>>>  ³  (-0.57)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>>>1.Kh4
>>>  =  (-0.18)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>>>1.Qf3
>>>  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>>>1.Qf3 a5
>>>  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 4   00:00:00  1kN
>>>1.g4 hxg4 2.Kxg4 a5 3.Qh3 Rbe8
>>>  =  (-0.04)   Depth: 4   00:00:00  9kN
>>>1.g4 hxg4 2.Kxg4 Ra8 3.Qg3
>>>  =  (0.17)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  36kN
>>>1.g4 hxg4 2.Kxg4 a5 3.Qh3 Rfe8 4.Rxf7 Kxf7 5.Qh7+
>>>  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 6   00:00:01  115kN
>>>1.Qf3 Bb6 2.g4 hxg4 3.Qg3 a5
>>>  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 6   00:00:02  152kN
>>>1.Kh4 Qf2 2.Rd2 Qc5 3.Rd1
>>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 6   00:00:02  167kN
>>>1.Kh6
>>>  ²  (0.51)   Depth: 6   00:00:03  284kN
>>>1.Kh6 a5 2.Nxa5 Qxa5 3.Qxg6+ fxg6 4.Rg7+
>>>  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 7   00:00:04  376kN
>>>1.Kh6 a5 2.Nxa5 Qxa5 3.Qxg6+ fxg6 4.Rg7+ Kh8 5.Rh7+ Kg8 6.Rg7+
>>>  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 8   00:00:05  497kN
>>>1.Kh6 a5 2.Nxa5 Qxa5 3.Qxg6+ fxg6 4.Rg7+ Kh8 5.Rh7+
>>>  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 9   00:00:08  841kN
>>>1.Kh6 Rfc8 2.Rxf7 Kxf7 3.Qxg6+ Ke7 4.Qf6+ Ke8 5.Nd6+ cxd6 6.Rxd6 Rb7 7.Qh8+ Ke7
>>>8.Qf6+
>>>  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 10   00:01:15  11987kN
>>
>>
>>It isn't seeing what it is supposed to see.  Kh6 is a big tactical win.  Here
>>for some reason, patzer simply can't see any way for white to improve after Kh4,
>>which is strange as white is better.  But since it drops to draw for Kh4, Kh6
>>is chosen for the wrong reason...  Most programs evaluate Kh4 and Kh6 as nearly
>>the same until they notice that Kh6 wins big material after a pretty deep
>>search.
>
>Maybe you're right, Robert, that Patzer is choosing the right move for the wrong
>reason. When setting up Patzer to analyse several lines simultaneously I saw
>that it rated several other moves as almost as good as Kh6 (Nd2, Na5, h3, g4,
>b4).
>
>Amusingly, when Patzer gets to search depth 11 it starts accessing the
>tablebases. I've included the next two lines of analysis below. I have all the
>5-piece EGTBs, so in the 22 moves Patzer must have found a line with 17 captures
>:)
>
>1.Kh6
>  ±  (0.90)   Depth: 11   00:03:03  28901kN, tb=4
>1.Kh6 Qc6 2.Na5 Qa8 3.Qxa6 Qf3 4.Qd3 Qg4 5.Nc6 h4
>  +-  (1.54)   Depth: 12   00:22:48  195857kN, tb=17

That is the point where it is beginning to see what is going on.  It is
not uncommon for a program to find the right move for the wrong reason.  Mine
does it all the time, in fact...




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