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Subject: Re: Wright brother's WERE the first in self powered aircraft.

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:58:01 01/08/04

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On January 08, 2004 at 12:37:18, Ed Trice wrote:

>Hello Dr. Hyatt,
>
>>
>>Your _game_ is somewhat different than normal chess, although I don't believe
>>it meets the criteria for "no prior-existing art" in patent law.  I am talking
>>about _playing_ your game, not building a chess board and pieces for your game
>>and selling that.  Patent law does not go there.
>
>A ha!
>
>You think I am trying to control who plays the game?
>
>No no no, not at all!
>
>You can play  it all you want!
>
>1. You can't sell it.
>2. You can't give it away.
>
>Sure you can make your own pieces and set them down on an 80 square board, that
>is not what is being claimed as something prohibitive.
>
>Playing the game is not an infringement.
>
>Making a program is.

There I am absolutely, 100% sure, you are wrong.  You can _not_ patent something
from that perspective.  It was already done for the music transposition
algorithm.  It was kicked out by the courts.

you can patent a "thing".  You can not patent a "subject".  IE you can not
patent an "airplane".  You can patent a _specific_ design, with two wings,
engine in the front, rudder/elevator in the rear.  Along comes someone with
two wings but elevator in the front and they patent that.

Just try to patent "a machine that flies" to see what I mean.  That's why you
have to supply all the ancillary stuff, such as drawings, specifications,
details about operation, etc.

I could never (probably) build a chess set for your game and sell it.  But I
can certainly write a program that plays the game, because you have made the
rules _public_.  And my program that plays the game is mine to sell or give
away.  Just as surely as I can write a program that _designs_ airplanes, and
sell it, even though the aircraft designs are already patented.

Someone is giving you _bad_ advice when they tell you that you can prevent
someone from writing a program to play a game you have patented.

>
>Now I know what you are going to say: "How is writing a program to play the game
>different from any other representation?"
>
>We sell a Gothic Chess program. We sell boards and pieces.

you can sell a chess program.  You can copyright one.  But you can't prevent
me from writing one myself.  If you believe so, you are in for a lot of grief
later when you spend a fortune and lose when you challenge someone.  My chess
program is copyrighted, because I wrote it.  You can't take it and use it as
you want without my permission.  But you _can_ write one of your own.  BTW you
can _not_ patent a computer program.  The only exception that has been granted
was when the program was a hard-wired design where the chip itself (containing
the "program) was therefore patentable.

>
>I think that covers it, in essence.




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