Author: Bob Durrett
Date: 13:17:24 01/10/04
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On January 10, 2004 at 16:10:50, Reinhard Scharnagl wrote: >On January 10, 2004 at 15:42:23, Bob Durrett wrote: > >>On January 10, 2004 at 12:51:37, Reinhard Scharnagl wrote: >> >>>On January 10, 2004 at 12:45:19, Bob Durrett wrote: >>> >>>[:::] >>> >>>>The technical issue of how piece values can be properly estimated is very >>>>interesting to me. >>>> >>>>In "ordinary" chess, the amount of human experience is measured in the millions >>>>of games and so there is plenty of data available to estimate piece values for >>>>human vs human games. >>>> >>>>For a new variant of chess where a new piece is to be used, there will not >>>>initially be the extremely large database from which to draw piece valuation >>>>estimates and such large databases may be a long time in coming. >>>> >>>>This begs the following question: "What would be a practical way to develop >>>>information which could be used to get better piece valuations? >>>> >>>>Having a large amount of data provides two benefits: First, it makes >>>>statistical evaluation feasible. Secondly, it provides many examples which could >>>>be studied individually to improve our understanding of this topic. >>>> >>>>Engine versus engine experiments may be a practical solution. The time limits >>>>might be blitz or faster and still give useful data. [Slow time limits provide >>>>smaller databases in a given amount of time but may give better data.] >>>> >>>>The difficulty might be in deciding how to analyze the data to glean the desired >>>>"piece valuations." Generally, piece valuations depend on a number of things >>>>such as whether in opening, middlegame, endgame among many other things. >>>> >>>>Incidentally, my guess is that the overarching strategic concepts of "ordinary >>>>chess" would still apply to chess variants as long as the variant is reasonably >>>>close to the original. What "reasonably" might be is unclear. >>> >>>Hello Bob, >>> >>>did you have seen the pages on my web site on this theme? Some pages nearly from >>>[http://www.rescon.de/Compu/schachansatz1_e.html]. >>> >>>Regards, Reinhard. > >>I just looked at it. The translation could use a little improvement. > >Well, I am not an english expert. So suggestions for text corrections or >improvements allways will be welcomed. I would be happy, when all the native >english speaking chess enthusiasts also would try to provide a second language >on their pages (best german of course, the most frequently spoken language in >europe). > >>I guess I was hoping for twenty pages. > >The detail evaluation will be published when also the Smirf engine will have >been published for a while before. Therefore - you are right - the really most >interesting might still be hidden. > >>Nevertheless, your page is interesting. > >Happy to hear this, because I know of my theories to be a little exotic. > >Regards, Reinhard. I misspoke! That unobtrusive litte "More" in the bottom right corner just caught my attention! : ) Bob D.
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