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Subject: Re: Stefan Mayer-Kahlen comments on his victory...

Author: Mark Young

Date: 12:32:12 01/13/04

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On January 13, 2004 at 14:31:38, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On January 13, 2004 at 10:59:52, Steve Maughan wrote:
>
>>Martin,
>>
>>>translated this means about this: "fritz and shredder played the best chess in
>>>this tournament (he is comparing against junior and brutus), and won their
>>>games against the outsiders most easily" - i don't really mind the first part
>>>of this sentence, but the second part is really hilarious given the shredder-
>>>jonny incident!
>>
>>I don't really want to start up the whole Graz scandle thread but in the Jonny
>>game Shredder was easily winning.
>
>Pardon me, you mean easily winning? And why SHREDDER didn't win (easily)? Why
>had it won with the aid of someone who threw a whole game although it was a
>draw? Could you explain your position? If you are a chessplayer yourself, could
>you reflect your position in relation to possible cases of a PATT or THREEFOLD?
>Would you dare to say that such draws are not existing because they are most
>unfair to the side which has a won game????
>
>Do you mean that if you call something a "bug", that then this is like
>'unimportant' or 'non-existent'?
>
>So, if I allow a draw by a PATT for instance, that then I couzld say that I had
>a bug and then I would still be judged as an extremely strong player? And my
>opponents would throw their game just to let me wi??? Where is this being
>played. Please tell me exact address.
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>>The scandle occured due to a bug in Shredder.
>> So if SMK is commenting on the general quality of chess played by the programs
>>(which he seems to be) I don't really have a problem and I think he's correct.
>>
>
>The "general" quality of the chess is something SMK is completely impotent to
>judge. SMK has no chess master status whatsoever. Probably he's a good
>businessman as Daniel pointed out, but his thought process is really biased
>heavily. Please do not speak of chess in general if you talk about the actual
>computerchess with BOOKS and TABLES, which is cheating after the FIDE Laws.
>
>Rolf

I looked at the games. It seems to me Shredder played the best chess in the
event. I don't care if Shredder should not have won the title. My guess is
Shredder 8 is the strongest program.

We will know for sure shortly, many will have Deep Fritz 8 and Shredder 8 on
their own computers.


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>>Regards,
>>
>>Steve



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