Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 13:33:45 01/13/04
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On January 13, 2004 at 15:32:12, Mark Young wrote: >On January 13, 2004 at 14:31:38, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On January 13, 2004 at 10:59:52, Steve Maughan wrote: >> >>>Martin, >>> >>>>translated this means about this: "fritz and shredder played the best chess in >>>>this tournament (he is comparing against junior and brutus), and won their >>>>games against the outsiders most easily" - i don't really mind the first part >>>>of this sentence, but the second part is really hilarious given the shredder- >>>>jonny incident! >>> >>>I don't really want to start up the whole Graz scandle thread but in the Jonny >>>game Shredder was easily winning. >> >>Pardon me, you mean easily winning? And why SHREDDER didn't win (easily)? Why >>had it won with the aid of someone who threw a whole game although it was a >>draw? Could you explain your position? If you are a chessplayer yourself, could >>you reflect your position in relation to possible cases of a PATT or THREEFOLD? >>Would you dare to say that such draws are not existing because they are most >>unfair to the side which has a won game???? >> >>Do you mean that if you call something a "bug", that then this is like >>'unimportant' or 'non-existent'? >> >>So, if I allow a draw by a PATT for instance, that then I couzld say that I had >>a bug and then I would still be judged as an extremely strong player? And my >>opponents would throw their game just to let me wi??? Where is this being >>played. Please tell me exact address. >> >> >> >> >>>The scandle occured due to a bug in Shredder. >>> So if SMK is commenting on the general quality of chess played by the programs >>>(which he seems to be) I don't really have a problem and I think he's correct. >>> >> >>The "general" quality of the chess is something SMK is completely impotent to >>judge. SMK has no chess master status whatsoever. Probably he's a good >>businessman as Daniel pointed out, but his thought process is really biased >>heavily. Please do not speak of chess in general if you talk about the actual >>computerchess with BOOKS and TABLES, which is cheating after the FIDE Laws. >> >>Rolf > >I looked at the games. It seems to me Shredder played the best chess in the >event. I don't care if Shredder should not have won the title. I agree. But SMK should have admitted the unallowed help by Jonny author - throwing a game is dishonest. Rolf > My guess is >Shredder 8 is the strongest program. > >We will know for sure shortly, many will have Deep Fritz 8 and Shredder 8 on >their own computers. > > >> >> >> >> >>>Regards, >>> >>>Steve
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