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Subject: Re: Fritz8 ( Version 8.0.0.23 ) poor showing Game 15 Engine Tourn (1 PC)

Author: Brian Katz

Date: 11:14:57 01/14/04

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On January 14, 2004 at 12:03:00, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On January 14, 2004 at 11:41:00, Brian Katz wrote:
>
>>I just ran a 1 PC Engine Tournament (DOUBLE ROUND ROBIN)and Fritz 8 (8.0.0.23)
>>did not do as well as expected. I have had similar results with the 8.0.0.8
>>Engine as well.
>>Has anyone had similar results with Fritz 8 while running 1 PC Engine
>>Tournaments?
>>I am assuming that Fritz 8 would perform better with a longer time control.
>>However, a longer time control for this Tournament...(56 Games),would take quite
>>some time to run, as this one in particular took almost 20 hours.
>>
>>Other than Fritz 7, DF7 and Hiarcs 8 which used their own Opening Books, (Hiarcs
>>8 used the Tournament Book Version) Fritz 8 and all other engines used the Fritz
>>8 Opening Book.

I agree that in a limited number of games anything can happen. Like flipping a
coin where Heads should come up 5 times out of ten but sometimes it could be 8-1
then 2-8 etc., but in then end over a large number it should average out to
close to where it should be.
Bit, in many Engine Tournaments that I have run, it seems that Fritz 8 just has
not scored as well as one would expect.

Im fact, in a game 2/1 tournament, Fritz 8 was losing many games agaist Ruffian
1.0.1. With the win loss result being quite lopsided at that.

I just expected more out of Fritz 8. Especially based on all the hype.
Brian
>>
>>         GAME 15 (No Increments) Hashtables 64MB (Ponder Off)
>>                 AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 1 GIG DDR SDRAM
>>
>>                   1    2   3  4   5   6   7   8
>>1   Deep Fritz 7   **  ½½  11  0½  0½  1½  ½1  11    9.0/14  56.25
>>2   Fritz 7        ½½  **  0½  1½  ½½  11  ½½  11    9.0/14  55.75
>>3   Ruffian 1.0.1  00  1½  **  ½1  10  ½½  11  ½1    8.5/14
>>4   Hiarcs 8       1½  0½  ½0  **  ½1  11  10  10    8.0/14
>>5   Fritz 8        1½  ½½  01  ½0  **  ½0  1½  ½1    7.5/14
>>6   Crafty 19.06   0½  00  ½½  00  ½1  **  ½1  ½1    6.0/14
>>7   Crafty 19.08   ½0  ½½  00  01  0½  ½0  **  1½    5.0/14
>>8   Yace Paderborn 00  00  ½0  01  ½0  ½0  0½  **    3.0/14
>>
>>Please post your opinions.
>>Thanks
>>Brian
>
>     Please take it as it is: just another tournament with
>     less games. Almost all can happen in such tournaments.
>     If you look at our "5moves 2004 Tournament" (90m+30s)
>     http://www.utzingerkurt.com/5moves.htm
>     you will find in one serie (over 7 games) Fritz8 as
>     winner, in the next serie the same engine at last place.
>     And the same thing occurred to most of the engines in the
>     still running tournament (once good and the other time bad
>     results). Any tournament contains a great margin of error
>     with regard to Elo/results and the less games are played
>     the less reliable is the outcome. In any case: we should
>     never make wrong conclusions from only one tournament.
>     Kurt



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