Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 11:19:24 01/14/04
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On January 14, 2004 at 14:14:57, Brian Katz wrote:
>On January 14, 2004 at 12:03:00, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On January 14, 2004 at 11:41:00, Brian Katz wrote:
>>
>>>I just ran a 1 PC Engine Tournament (DOUBLE ROUND ROBIN)and Fritz 8 (8.0.0.23)
>>>did not do as well as expected. I have had similar results with the 8.0.0.8
>>>Engine as well.
>>>Has anyone had similar results with Fritz 8 while running 1 PC Engine
>>>Tournaments?
>>>I am assuming that Fritz 8 would perform better with a longer time control.
>>>However, a longer time control for this Tournament...(56 Games),would take quite
>>>some time to run, as this one in particular took almost 20 hours.
>>>
>>>Other than Fritz 7, DF7 and Hiarcs 8 which used their own Opening Books, (Hiarcs
>>>8 used the Tournament Book Version) Fritz 8 and all other engines used the Fritz
>>>8 Opening Book.
>
>I agree that in a limited number of games anything can happen. Like flipping a
>coin where Heads should come up 5 times out of ten but sometimes it could
> be 8-1
^^^
math-challenged today? Or did you get one "edge" in those ten flips?
:)
>then 2-8 etc., but in then end over a large number it should average out to
>close to where it should be.
>Bit, in many Engine Tournaments that I have run, it seems that Fritz 8 just has
>not scored as well as one would expect.
>
>Im fact, in a game 2/1 tournament, Fritz 8 was losing many games agaist Ruffian
>1.0.1. With the win loss result being quite lopsided at that.
>
>I just expected more out of Fritz 8. Especially based on all the hype.
>Brian
>>>
>>> GAME 15 (No Increments) Hashtables 64MB (Ponder Off)
>>> AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 1 GIG DDR SDRAM
>>>
>>> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
>>>1 Deep Fritz 7 ** ½½ 11 0½ 0½ 1½ ½1 11 9.0/14 56.25
>>>2 Fritz 7 ½½ ** 0½ 1½ ½½ 11 ½½ 11 9.0/14 55.75
>>>3 Ruffian 1.0.1 00 1½ ** ½1 10 ½½ 11 ½1 8.5/14
>>>4 Hiarcs 8 1½ 0½ ½0 ** ½1 11 10 10 8.0/14
>>>5 Fritz 8 1½ ½½ 01 ½0 ** ½0 1½ ½1 7.5/14
>>>6 Crafty 19.06 0½ 00 ½½ 00 ½1 ** ½1 ½1 6.0/14
>>>7 Crafty 19.08 ½0 ½½ 00 01 0½ ½0 ** 1½ 5.0/14
>>>8 Yace Paderborn 00 00 ½0 01 ½0 ½0 0½ ** 3.0/14
>>>
>>>Please post your opinions.
>>>Thanks
>>>Brian
>>
>> Please take it as it is: just another tournament with
>> less games. Almost all can happen in such tournaments.
>> If you look at our "5moves 2004 Tournament" (90m+30s)
>> http://www.utzingerkurt.com/5moves.htm
>> you will find in one serie (over 7 games) Fritz8 as
>> winner, in the next serie the same engine at last place.
>> And the same thing occurred to most of the engines in the
>> still running tournament (once good and the other time bad
>> results). Any tournament contains a great margin of error
>> with regard to Elo/results and the less games are played
>> the less reliable is the outcome. In any case: we should
>> never make wrong conclusions from only one tournament.
>> Kurt
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